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    Quote Originally Posted by mattblack View Post
    It would *almost* be worth Corbyn getting getting in to see the snowflakes **** themselves when reality kicks in... can you imagine the ****s when then can't get on instaface or some **** when the nationalised broadband goes tits up and they realise they can't change suppliers? Or come to that even get through to anyone on the phone on a Friday... 4 day week!
    I kind of agree with that, we have had a Tory government now for over forty years (apart from the bit where Maggies illegitimate son was allowed a go) and most youngsters don't have any idea of what it was like living under a labour government.
    I love the sound of the Labour manifesto, we all want extra billions of pounds spent on the NHS, even more spent on schools and we all want free big pensions (well I do ) and two billion trees.
    But someone has to pay for this and it won't be the people that are campaigning for it.
    Corbyn has loads of ideas (im sure they are well intentioned and some of his ideas are good ones) but all of them cost money.. Sombody else's money! And that is the rub SOMBODY ELS'S MONEY.
    "The Government" doesn't have any money, IT IS THE TAX PAYERS. MONEY and we are the tax payers ....
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    Absolutely spot on, Big Joe. There's been a big interest in Marxism by the student population, as they've never had to live through a socialist regime. They were interviewing students the other day and they were falling over each other over the promise of free tuition fees. But, as you say, who pays?: one person would be the 19 year old kid working on a building site, so that some graduate who he's subsidised from his taxes can come along later in a managerial role, but with no experience, and lord it over him.

    I always remember driving home one evening listening to the radio when they said about the benefits that Blair/Brown brought to the NHs. According to this prog, yes, they did bring about a £1bn of benefit, but it cost the country ie us £18bn. As soon as you say to anybody that there are more funds available, they go mad eg more pay, careless with materials, costly team building exercises etc. We all know that if you have to work to a tight budget it encourages you to be innovative, think laterally and so on. I think it's worrying that from all quarters they're showing a lack of fiscal responsibility by offering the sun & moon, but as somebody pointed out what happens when the interest rates go up? Even Government aren't immune from fall out from those.

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    This link came from another forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 55chev View Post
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    2 candidates, One's bad, the other worse, place your bets.

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    I disagree with the idea of the Brexit Party being a wasted vote. Corbyn, Swinson and whoever the Green halfwit is are all a thousand times worse than Johnson, but I still don't want Johnson. Therefore, I would be wasting my vote by voting for a party and PM that I don't want in power. A few reasons why I cannot, without placing a burden on my conscience, vote Conservative:
    - Like all the other parties, they still insist on building new houses. Instead of addressing overpopulation, this policy just encourages it. If the sky's about to fall on our heads a la Thunberg rhetoric, a growing population will only accelerate the problem. Likewise, bulldozing the countryside and cramming houses into every available space is also a ruinous practice. I live right on the rural-urban fringe and cherish the countryside - every sordid new estate that springs up pains me.
    - The Conservative manifesto still promises to end the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles. Even if it were important for us, as a society, to move to electric cars, the way to do that is to educate the population of the necessity and develop electric power to the point that it is practically superior to ICE. Banning things is the lazy way of enforcing an agenda and it effectively prohibits protest or opposition. At the end of the day, there is no excuse for removing freedom of choice.
    - In the past year or two, hate crime (thoughtcrime) laws have seen people fined for turning a pug into a Nazi caricature and investigated by the police for criticising transgender pseudo-science. The Conservatives should be disgusted that such could happen under their ministry but they don't seem to be. I would not vote for them without promise that the offending laws be overturned or at least drastically reformed.

    The Brexit Party is the only party that doesn't have a single objectional policy (because it only has one policy). It's true that it is not developed or experienced enough to really lead a country, but that is not its aim. Its aim, we are told, is simply to get us out of the EU once and for all. With that achieved, I expect another election would be called and we'd return to the Con-Lab-Lib circus and it'd be business as usual once more. It's a risk I'm willing to take, anyway.

    Sadly, I think the comment that we are 'lions led by donkeys' is rather far from the truth. 'Sheep led by wolves' is more like it. MPs aren't stupid, except maybe Abbott and Lammy. They're on a basic salary of £78,000 per annum, which places them in the top five per cent of earners, and they hold power over all of us. They are only able to do that because we vote them into office. Who are the stupid ones?
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    you have to admire the Brexit party in what they've achieved and done by standing down in Tory seats. I'd say if you have a Brexit candidate and support Leave then you should vote for them, if not then Tory. Farage isn't stupid, he's the purist candidate for Leave out there. If he feels the need to field a Brexit MP, it'll be to run against Labour. My prediction, hung parliament and Brexit Party will win seats in Wales and North of England. Boris will need a confidence and supply agreement with Brexit AND DUP to get his majority. Don't expect a U-turn on the deal, it's the only mechanism for leaving. Boris won't go No-Deal but he will seek to re-open talks on the threat once he can viably threaten it.

    I know one thing, we're ****ed if Lib Dems U-turn on dealing with Labour. It will be a hung parliament, our only hope is that Corbyn remains until he loses this election and is forced from the party by his MP's. There's a significant amount of his own backbench that can't stand him or his shadow cabinet. It's the ultra hard left union led labour membership propping him up. Defeat him now and he's likely out of politics for good, fingers crossed.

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    your vote dont count?

    try voting in some of the communist countries or places with a dictator or a Muslim country.

    be thankful you have the right to vote in a free society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Incubator-Jones View Post
    I disagree with the idea of the Brexit Party being a wasted vote. Corbyn, Swinson and whoever the Green halfwit is are all a thousand times worse than Johnson, but I still don't want Johnson. Therefore, I would be wasting my vote by voting for a party and PM that I don't want in power. A few reasons why I cannot, without placing a burden on my conscience, vote Conservative:
    - Like all the other parties, they still insist on building new houses. Instead of addressing overpopulation, this policy just encourages it. If the sky's about to fall on our heads a la Thunberg rhetoric, a growing population will only accelerate the problem. Likewise, bulldozing the countryside and cramming houses into every available space is also a ruinous practice. I live right on the rural-urban fringe and cherish the countryside - every sordid new estate that springs up pains me.
    - The Conservative manifesto still promises to end the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles. Even if it were important for us, as a society, to move to electric cars, the way to do that is to educate the population of the necessity and develop electric power to the point that it is practically superior to ICE. Banning things is the lazy way of enforcing an agenda and it effectively prohibits protest or opposition. At the end of the day, there is no excuse for removing freedom of choice.
    - In the past year or two, hate crime (thoughtcrime) laws have seen people fined for turning a pug into a Nazi caricature and investigated by the police for criticising transgender pseudo-science. The Conservatives should be disgusted that such could happen under their ministry but they don't seem to be. I would not vote for them without promise that the offending laws be overturned or at least drastically reformed.

    The Brexit Party is the only party that doesn't have a single objectional policy (because it only has one policy). It's true that it is not developed or experienced enough to really lead a country, but that is not its aim. Its aim, we are told, is simply to get us out of the EU once and for all. With that achieved, I expect another election would be called and we'd return to the Con-Lab-Lib circus and it'd be business as usual once more. It's a risk I'm willing to take, anyway.

    Sadly, I think the comment that we are 'lions led by donkeys' is rather far from the truth. 'Sheep led by wolves' is more like it. MPs aren't stupid, except maybe Abbott and Lammy. They're on a basic salary of £78,000 per annum, which places them in the top five per cent of earners, and they hold power over all of us. They are only able to do that because we vote them into office. Who are the stupid ones?
    Lines 5 to 9: it all becomes a self fulfilling prophesy, you need more houses for more people, more people are needed to achieve economic growth (unless you resort to greater efficiency, shock, horror), they get older and need more state resources, so you need more people to pay taxes, and they need houses.....there seems a lot of sense in the work of the CPRE. And that's before you get into the argument made by Zac Goldsmith and others that there's enough existing properties, empty or worthy of development, that could house everybody. Apparently, not worth doing because you pay VAT on restoration and not on new builds. I think the current economic model is doomed if there's to be a realistic attempt at reducing the amount of climate change. Like for example, everybody relentlessly buying new stuff whether it clothes or electric cars. That's why I think hot-rodders and old vehicle nuts are probably the greenest people in the world. What's not to like about somebody who's prepared to keep something going or upcycle a load of disparate components that would otherwise have to be recycled?

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