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  • 06-08-2009, 22:56
    UK RUSS 1960 OLDS
    Quote Originally Posted by jez r View Post
    As a speed camera is triggered by the vehicle breaking the speed limit set for that road, how can it tell the difference between a van 10 mph over the limit and a car travelling at legal speed. A far as I'm aware they don't have the ability to identify different types of vehicle do they?
    I can understand the reason behind the lower limits, being longer stopping distances of heavier vehicles, but the point about hired vans is valid. A lot of people who rent vans aren't regular van drivers so wouldn't know about such differnces.

    Hi,

    Agreed a fixed camera cant, but these new mobile vans read the reg so all info is interlinked to the database (swansea) with the location the camera is sitting at (almost guarentee it will be an arrow staight bit of single carriageway which is national speed limit) over 7.5 tonne, over 45mph youre nicked largish van and anything up to 7.5 tonne, over 56mph youre nicked. Car over 67mph youre nicked. All done by computer the 1st thing you will probably know about it is when the fine comes through the door.

    It seems that most police forces have adopted the 10% +2mph rule. ie 30 + 10% = 33 + 2 = 35 = nicked. This seems to hold true as anything over 7.5 tonnes is only allowed to do 50MPH on a dual carriageway but they are nearly all doing 56MPH (because that is what they are restricted to, fuel cuts off) but you dont hear of them being nicked for it, so it appears this unwritten rule is being applied.

    I have 2 friends that have got caught out in vans recently 60 MPH in a sprinter and the other 61 MPH in a movano, both on single carriageways in the middle of nowhere with the obligatory gateway where they can almost hide the van out of sight.

    The worst thing they did was turn the police force from a public service into a profit making business.

    Cheers.

    Russ.
  • 06-08-2009, 22:15
    hershambob
    Quote Originally Posted by Micks47 View Post
    Until the tax man caught up with them. If you retro fitted side windows behind the level of the drivers seat back, you had to fork out the extra tax you saved by buying a van! It was always wise to check when you bought one that the previous owner had actually paid the tax or the new owner got stung for it.

    Daft thing was if you had a rear seat in a van without side windows it was OK. I know as I spent many a happy hour travelling in the back as a little kid staring at the the dark green side panels of my dads A35 van.
    my dad had a viva van with the rear seat
  • 05-08-2009, 09:35
    great68
    Quote Originally Posted by jez r View Post
    As a speed camera is triggered by the vehicle breaking the speed limit set for that road, how can it tell the difference between a van 10 mph over the limit and a car travelling at legal speed. A far as I'm aware they don't have the ability to identify different types of vehicle do they?
    I can understand the reason behind the lower limits, being longer stopping distances of heavier vehicles, but the point about hired vans is valid. A lot of people who rent vans aren't regular van drivers so wouldn't know about such differnces.

    Thats correct for the Gatso cameras, but the average speed cameras on roadworks and static, along with other speed cameras such as on the gantrys of the M25 around Heathrow are linked to the number plate recognition database, so apart from knowing where to send the fine they know the type and speed limits of vehicles.
  • 04-08-2009, 22:57
    kapri
    Nope, no link and a blank look from me...where to ?
  • 04-08-2009, 22:48
    unityjon
    didnt want my photoshop to go to waste so posted this TTT (see page one now my album is working! ....) this ones for you Kev R ! lol
  • 30-07-2009, 16:11
    Micks47
    Quote Originally Posted by 40Stude View Post
    Don't know about that Bob but back in the 50's I seem to remember vans like 300E's, A35's and Morry Thou's had a lower rate of puchase tax which was why lots of them had windows and a back seat fitted - cheap estate car!
    Until the tax man caught up with them. If you retro fitted side windows behind the level of the drivers seat back, you had to fork out the extra tax you saved by buying a van! It was always wise to check when you bought one that the previous owner had actually paid the tax or the new owner got stung for it.

    Daft thing was if you had a rear seat in a van without side windows it was OK. I know as I spent many a happy hour travelling in the back as a little kid staring at the the dark green side panels of my dads A35 van.
  • 30-07-2009, 09:48
    40Stude
    Quote Originally Posted by hershambob View Post
    remember when escort vans had that little side window,i was told it was because of those speed limits and you could do the max in one or any other van with side windows(portholes included)
    Don't know about that Bob but back in the 50's I seem to remember vans like 300E's, A35's and Morry Thou's had a lower rate of puchase tax which was why lots of them had windows and a back seat fitted - cheap estate car!
  • 30-07-2009, 09:45
    Torment
    and when you pass your test the first vehicle you buy is probably not a transit van so when you were dilligently learning the highway code you more than likely brushed over the van speed limits,then forgot them while scouring autotrader for that elusive mini 1275 gt...
  • 30-07-2009, 09:14
    jez r
    As a speed camera is triggered by the vehicle breaking the speed limit set for that road, how can it tell the difference between a van 10 mph over the limit and a car travelling at legal speed. A far as I'm aware they don't have the ability to identify different types of vehicle do they?
    I can understand the reason behind the lower limits, being longer stopping distances of heavier vehicles, but the point about hired vans is valid. A lot of people who rent vans aren't regular van drivers so wouldn't know about such differnces.
  • 29-07-2009, 19:44
    hershambob
    remember when escort vans had that little side window,i was told it was because of those speed limits and you could do the max in one or any other van with side windows(portholes included)
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