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  • 12-06-2018, 20:28
    Chitty
    Quote Originally Posted by kapri View Post
    The single way round it is to BIVA the vehicle. However the test is for built not bought ( I hate that bit of inverted snobbery ) . So the person who buys a car is unlikley to be the sort that would strip out down ( as needed for photogrqphic proof for dvsa of self build ).

    That's why I always recommend building to BIVA regardless of what type of build ie 8 points etc. At least that way the bulk of stuff is built in. It's all in how you do it rather than additional cost , well other than the test itself.

    The bulk of the regs are about safety rather than the nit picking bits that most focus on.

    If you were building a racecar to any enter any class they all have regs attached and constant scrutineering.
    Thanks Kapri. The car in question was built over 20years ago by a well known rod builder. mag feature, how much of strip down are we talking of? would a body off be ok or more. Sadly this must mean a lot of cars useing old v5s will be off the road! say from a pop on a 28A.... also if they cant pass the biva.
  • 12-06-2018, 17:05
    Pop boy racer
    Quote Originally Posted by kapri View Post
    Steering mods mean MOT unfortunately . Though may well be for safety reasons it is on the list as substantial change. My Kapri is 8 points compliant but still needs MOT because of the change from box to rack.
    I don't have a problem with mot, some of these younger mot testers would probably struggle with the backlash in my steering box anyhow.
  • 12-06-2018, 17:00
    Pop boy racer
    Quote Originally Posted by v8.jimmy View Post
    To answer that, you'll need to tell a little more mate. Do you defo have all 14 points to start with? 5 chassis, 2 axles, 2 steering, 2 transmission, 2 suspension, 1 engine?

    If so, then you will lose 2 for axle and 2 for steering, leaving you with the 10 you mentioned. So, you keep the number AND, because you changed the axle and steering for safety reasons, then technically, accordng to their grey areas, you can still retain 14 points for VHI to get MOT exemption. That's 14 for VHI and 10 for identity. Brakes do not come into it.
    If you have no problem MOTing it, you can just do that and still claim your free road tax.
    Yes all standard with 14 points. Who decides that my claim of changing for safety reasons is valid when there are many standard pops being used on the roads
  • 12-06-2018, 15:37
    kapri
    Quote Originally Posted by Chitty View Post
    IS there away around this? like Q plate, re register. anythig? as there no doubt cars that are not what they say on the tin! failing away around it there could be a lot more garden furniture about.
    The single way round it is to BIVA the vehicle. However the test is for built not bought ( I hate that bit of inverted snobbery ) . So the person who buys a car is unlikley to be the sort that would strip out down ( as needed for photogrqphic proof for dvsa of self build ).

    That's why I always recommend building to BIVA regardless of what type of build ie 8 points etc. At least that way the bulk of stuff is built in. It's all in how you do it rather than additional cost , well other than the test itself.

    The bulk of the regs are about safety rather than the nit picking bits that most focus on.

    If you were building a racecar to any enter any class they all have regs attached and constant scrutineering.
  • 12-06-2018, 14:06
    stevesteve
    Quote Originally Posted by WB54 View Post
    type being steering box and method being manual, I think you'd be fine. If it was converted to rack and power it would be a different type and method in my view.
    Could be, I.m sure a change form box to rack is a substantial change .Method though in my view when it comes to steering, may be a change from original too like rear wheel / single wheel steer or a host of other methods. My interpretation of method when it comes to steering would be someone turning a steering wheel and not ie.operated by a computer.
    Suspension , well a change in method there could be leaf spring to coil/ air bag / quarter elliptic, etc.etc.
    It must have been planned out like this by the whoever to be as ambiguous as this for a reason . There does not seem to be any definition on these issues as far as I can work out.
    Any thoughts on this Kev?
  • 12-06-2018, 13:44
    Chitty
    Quote Originally Posted by kapri View Post
    There's question syou must always ask yourself ( well if you are concerned about it ). I'M NOT ASKING for answers but the answers will set you free .

    The first and staring point is really quite simple .

    Does the logbook in any way shape or form have any relevance to the registration details ie are you LOOKING at a Red 32B roadster or a Blue 36 Austin pick up ? What you are looking at should match the logbook description.
    IS there away around this? like Q plate, re register. anythig? as there no doubt cars that are not what they say on the tin! failing away around it there could be a lot more garden furniture about.
  • 12-06-2018, 11:26
    kapri
    All this would have been easier if someone had proposed 15% power increase or similar ?

    Problem was that most thought all this was all about identity and not simply about whether you need an MOT or not.
  • 12-06-2018, 11:20
    WB54
    type being steering box and method being manual, I think you'd be fine. If it was converted to rack and power it would be a different type and method in my view.
  • 12-06-2018, 10:32
    stevesteve
    Quote Originally Posted by kapri View Post
    Steering mods mean MOT unfortunately . Though may well be for safety reasons it is on the list as substantial change. My Kapri is 8 points compliant but still needs MOT because of the change from box to rack.


    Although it does mention steering as substantial change (alteration of the type and/or method of suspension or steering). It does mention type and method. That could be interpreted as changing from RHD to LHD still using a steer box ( type )as original . Would I be correct in making this ambiguity work in this instance and not count as a substantial change? I think so?
  • 12-06-2018, 09:18
    v8.jimmy
    Quote Originally Posted by kapri View Post
    It IS hardwork to understand even when you are dealing with it regularly
    I know mate, but following on from all the hard work and info supplied by guys like yourself, it's only fair that some of us try to get to grips with it all to be able to offer the same advice as yourself,, but with all the wrong info out there,, we need to be accurate when offering advice. I have many people asking me advice so I best sharpen up as I don't want to be giving out bum steers, especially when I see some of the ****e that people are putting out on facebook. Advice should only be given when supplier of said advice is correct and not just using his/her opinion. There are too many people jumping in on fb, eager to answer somebody's query (which is good) BUT they often don't have a ****ing clue and are giving out very bad advice. It would make a big difference if they added "in my opinion" or "these are my thoughts" but instead they are putting the advice out as gospel. My mistake above needed to be pointed out and I'm grateful for that but some others will simply not accept that they are wrong!
    Even an old boss in a haulage firm once said to me "if you don't know the rules, you wont know how to get round them" lol.
    You have to know how far you can bend something without breaking it
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