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  • 07-10-2018, 20:55
    MYTHING
    Really strange but if you had put a piece of masking tape over the 4000KG plated weight of the Ifor and wrote 3000 or3500KG in felt tip, so long as the unique serial number is not covered and it was still greater than the weight of the trailer and dumper they would have happily accepted that

    This is the theoretical overloading that I was on about

    The argument is....if you got out of the combination and handed it to someone else to drive (commercial, private doesn't matter) that person would (assuming they looked at it) take the plated gross weight as the weight they could load to and drive with, the fact they should also check the MAM rating is the tow vehicle is ignored, it comes under a "specific or implied instruction to the operator/driver of the combination"

    So when the Fireman drives the fire engine and on the inside of the windscreen it says max height 13'6" or whatever, when they run into a low bridge that is greater than the stated height, they can be sacked without defence as they ignored a "specific or implied instruction"

    Madness I know

    Quote Originally Posted by Yella f100 View Post
    Not sure of the legalitys but I did get a tug at the layby on A1 at Bedford were that grizzlys truckstop cafe is.
    I was driving a LWB transit 3500kg gvw which was virtually empty of tools etc towing a 4 tonne plated ifor williams trailer, my crime was there was a rather large dumper on the trailer and I got done for gross train weight, basically the trailer wasnt overloaded but the tow vehicle was not big enough.
    At my court appearance at Bedford magistrates I copped 11 offences from memory, and they ranged from not having a tacho, which lead to failing to keep tacho records, failing to produce a tacho disc for that day and it went on and on (but how could I produce discs etc when the van didn't have a tacho fitted.)
    Not a great day got a fair old fine but luckily all offences were non endorsable so came away with a clean licence.
    Kev
    Kev
  • 07-10-2018, 06:25
    coupster
    Quote Originally Posted by v8.jimmy View Post
    Aaron, your inbox is full mate, tried to reply to your pm but it got bounced.
    Thanks Jim
  • 06-10-2018, 23:19
    v8.jimmy
    Quote Originally Posted by Big Joe View Post
    It would be a fair bit easier if they would publish the rules in a simple and unambiguous way so that there could be no missunderstanding..l
    No money in being clear and fair Joe
  • 06-10-2018, 23:18
    v8.jimmy
    Quote Originally Posted by Yella f100 View Post
    Not sure of the legalitys but I did get a tug at the layby on A1 at Bedford were that grizzlys truckstop cafe is.
    I was driving a LWB transit 3500kg gvw which was virtually empty of tools etc towing a 4 tonne plated ifor williams trailer, my crime was there was a rather large dumper on the trailer and I got done for gross train weight, basically the trailer wasnt overloaded but the tow vehicle was not big enough.
    At my court appearance at Bedford magistrates I copped 11 offences from memory, and they ranged from not having a tacho, which lead to failing to keep tacho records, failing to produce a tacho disc for that day and it went on and on (but how could I produce discs etc when the van didn't have a tacho fitted.)
    Not a great day got a fair old fine but luckily all offences were non endorsable so came away with a clean licence.
    Kev
    Kev
    That's the problem Kev, one thing leads to another with these ****ers
  • 06-10-2018, 23:18
    v8.jimmy
    Quote Originally Posted by coupster View Post
    All interesting comments - thanks.

    Its a bit of a minefield. I can see why people get "done" as understanding the rules isn't easy, down to the driver though I guess, ignorance isn't bliss.
    Aaron, your inbox is full mate, tried to reply to your pm but it got bounced.
  • 06-10-2018, 22:45
    Big Joe
    Quote Originally Posted by coupster View Post
    All interesting comments - thanks.

    Its a bit of a minefield. I can see why people get "done" as understanding the rules isn't easy, down to the driver though I guess, ignorance isn't bliss.
    It would be a fair bit easier if they would publish the rules in a simple and unambiguous way so that there could be no missunderstanding..l
  • 06-10-2018, 19:22
    coupster
    All interesting comments - thanks.

    Its a bit of a minefield. I can see why people get "done" as understanding the rules isn't easy, down to the driver though I guess, ignorance isn't bliss.
  • 06-10-2018, 19:05
    Yella f100
    Not sure of the legalitys but I did get a tug at the layby on A1 at Bedford were that grizzlys truckstop cafe is.
    I was driving a LWB transit 3500kg gvw which was virtually empty of tools etc towing a 4 tonne plated ifor williams trailer, my crime was there was a rather large dumper on the trailer and I got done for gross train weight, basically the trailer wasnt overloaded but the tow vehicle was not big enough.
    At my court appearance at Bedford magistrates I copped 11 offences from memory, and they ranged from not having a tacho, which lead to failing to keep tacho records, failing to produce a tacho disc for that day and it went on and on (but how could I produce discs etc when the van didn't have a tacho fitted.)
    Not a great day got a fair old fine but luckily all offences were non endorsable so came away with a clean licence.
    Kev
    Kev
  • 06-10-2018, 17:20
    v8.jimmy
    Quote Originally Posted by MYTHING View Post
    And if you are going to run at 3500kg max no tacho remove the towbar (or just ball) as if it is fitted you could be done for theoretical overloading, or not using/having a tacho as they want to know your historic movement not just when your towing
    that's not true buddy, as the tacho is only required for business use "when towing a trailer". But, if Arron isn't going to ever tow a trailer, then there's no harm in taking it off. Though, even if the pickup is for business use, he CAN use the 3.5 tonne pickup with a trailer, without using the tacho, IF it's only being used privately when the trailer is on. He'd need to be able to prove private use at the roadside though.
  • 06-10-2018, 17:14
    v8.jimmy
    Quote Originally Posted by timbo56 View Post
    I knew I had it somewhere, here's the definitive answer from the DfT http://srgtc.org.uk/images/pdf/tachorules.pdf
    Sorry, wrong file but it can be useful. Here's the one I meant to use, it's directed at horsebox owners but the rules are the same and can be taken from the flow charts in it. http://srgtc.org.uk/images/pdf/horsebox.pdf
    kool I'll read up on that as I'm a bit rusty here and there lol. I wish my company would give me a tacho refresher as one of my cpc days as it would be more useful than the ****ty topics I seem to get. I drive tankers but only locally and never get near 4 1/2 hours driving in a shift so only need to take working time directive breaks, so ony using the tacho to prove that I didn't actually need to keep records lol
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