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    Hot Solenoid

    This post belongs somewhere between "Parts Wanted and "Tech Discussion" hence my sticking it in both places.
    My '69 350 equipped '66 Chevy C10 will start from cold fine. However a GM design fault means the starter solenoid quickly gets cooked by the headers it has to sit right next to which prevents it from starting again for at least 4 hours. This situation as I'm sure you'll agree sucks out loud. I've established I need to convert/bypass my GM starter set up to a Ford style remote solenoid system (which I can bolt somewhere cooler).
    My questions to the great and good of this forum are;
    is there an idiot proof kit I can buy in the UK to make such a conversion?
    If not, where can I get my mitts on a Ford (old style points ignition) solenoid that I can graft on myself?
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    Answered on other thread!

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    I think your starter is probably a so-called pre engaged starter motor, where the solenoid which hangs on the starter kicks the starter's gear into mesh with the flywheel ring gear before a pair of internal contacts make and send power to the starter itself. if so, you can't really replace this setup with a remote solenoid as there won't be any means of engaging the starter's gear.

    The problem you have is almost certainly that the solenoid's internal winding is broken, heat expansion means that the fault only appears when the solenoid coil gets warm. GM did provide a metal heat shield on some of their factory starters, it would be worth fitting one to yours once you've got this particular problem sorted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stueeee View Post
    I think your starter is probably a so-called pre engaged starter motor, where the solenoid which hangs on the starter kicks the starter's gear into mesh with the flywheel ring gear before a pair of internal contacts make and send power to the starter itself. if so, you can't really replace this setup with a remote solenoid as there won't be any means of engaging the starter's gear.

    The problem you have is almost certainly that the solenoid's internal winding is broken, heat expansion means that the fault only appears when the solenoid coil gets warm. GM did provide a metal heat shield on some of their factory starters, it would be worth fitting one to yours once you've got this particular problem sorted.
    The plot thickens..... So I need a a new sol or can it be re-wound?

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    Here's what I have. Is this the type you suspect I have Stuart?

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    The Ford solenoid works in conjunction with this solenoid.

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    One thread would make life easier!

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    connect a busbar from the large terminal to the smaller terminal,, at 9 oclock and 3 oclock in the photo,, stick the remote solenoid somewhere cooler such as boot or beside battery.. run heavy battery lead from the remote sol to the large term at 3 oclock,, other side of remote sol goes to battery live post,, extend trigger wire to remote sol... those old style starters often cause problems with heat soak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumpcars View Post
    One thread would make life easier!
    If there's an awkward way of doing things....

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    That's what I had in mind Zephyrc, a controlled version of the old screwdriver wake up trick if you will. Thank you for the advice and reassurance.

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