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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpopracing View Post
    How the **** can you reduce road casualties to zero? That is simply impossible.

    If you have a Biva tested car, will that be seen as 'as it left the factory'?
    More than likely as it has been tested & certificated, but the whole future of BIVA isn't stable.

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    No good writing to your local MP did that and posted the "standard" reply on here.

    This could be some serious ****, if we dont get out of the European Market then we could see an end to this wonderful, colourful hobby of ours!

    Your very old "Toad of Toad Hall" classics will be ok cause they are standard and origional but this, if it happens will hit the Hotrod/Modified scene very hard and thats what it appears they want to happen.

    This is turning into a "communist" type state and like a lot of other obvious problems with the country the average guy can see, the useless ****s that run this country will do nothing about to stop it happening!

    Might postpone that new rod I was looking for for a while!

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    If insurance is the only barrier for a moded pre 60 car getting on the road would it be possible to start an insurance co op type thing??
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    Quote Originally Posted by henry's revenge View Post
    If insurance is the only barrier for a moded pre 60 car getting on the road would it be possible to start an insurance co op type thing??
    No, because modified cars will not be legal to use on the road, if all of this happens as it possibly could.

    Please keep your eyes on the ACE web site for all updates.

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    anyone got a link to the actuall proposal other than this websites take on it


    this bit is quite interesting

    "it’s evident that the proposed new rules for harmonised EU vehicle testing would only apply to cars up to 30 years old, and on a rolling basis"

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    It'll all be up on ACE very shortly ( hopefully by this afternoon) with full links to Dft letter, 'proposals' , EC law and parliamentary procedure, the all NEW Historic vehicle definition ( stock or tough **** ) plus how we've been blindsided . It's far better if you see it all tied together rather than just one part of it

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    to me basicly it would mean that the mayority of cars, classic and newer will be taken off the roads. aftermarket brakepads are NOT the same used for type aproval, so illegal and must be replaced for originals. aftermarket pattern axhaust system will fall under same rules. wich would make, lucky guess: 90% of the cars not according to type aproval and will fail for the test.
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    This system is already in force in many countries.

    In Norway, vehicles newer than '71 have to be pretty much stock to be approved for use.
    It's the equivalent of an SVA test, but all tyres must be the same size, on the same axle, you must have the same tread pattern.
    These tyres must be within 5% of the rolling circumference of what was fitted as standard.

    The engine must be what it says on the vin. You can't go cramming a big block in instead of your 302, because they won't approve it. Things like disc brake conversions etc, if they aren't stock, and the tester notices, then you have to remove them.

    With special, or really rare cars, they could even insist it be the original colour if they wanted to be pernickity.

    You can modify cars, but they must be presented and approved as modified vehicles. If not, they automatically fail the MOT.
    even something as simple as lowering springs must be approved, and of an approved design. Non approved springs are a fail.
    As are fast road brake pads, K&n filters, you name it. Some testers use discretion and ignore it, many don't.
    Forget about headers, big bore exhausts etc.

    You can run your modified car on the road if you are not stopped, but if it isn't approved as modified it must be converted back to standard every two years for it's mot.

    You can be stopped by the police at any given time and required to remove any unauthorised modifications, but police largely don't bother you unless you give them reason to.
    If they do, you will have to present your car for re-approval and pay the fees.

    Pre '71 it's much easier, but cars still have to be registered and approved as modified, although rules are not as tight on what you can and cannot do.

    Pre 1960 are mot exempt anyway, but still have to be safe for use. This is the driver's responsibility.

    I'd suspect that the full remit of this paper won't be retro-actively applied to cars already registered in the UK, I really can't see them making cars illegal which previously haven't been, and have been run legally, I'd reckon it'd be more likely that you'd have to just have it declared as modified and what those modifications done, then if you modify any more it will require to be approved.

    However, if you want to import a car, do it now, or you may have problems getting it approved.
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    And in one large move the environmentalist group that have been talking ****e for years get exactly what they want, all old polluting cars off the road.Please form an orderly queue at your nearest hybrid dealer because they save the planet don't you know.

    Well done and thanks to the guys at ACE for their hard work. I'll do whatever I can to help.

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    Hopefully the many British firms that rely on the modified market and associated companies will unite with the thousands of uk voters and say enough is enough and leave the eu to collapse in a debt ridden heap

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