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Whitehall pledges its support for classics.

Whitehall pledges its support for classics | Classic and Sports Car

The Government has guaranteed no restrictions will be introduced on the usage of classic cars in the UK.

The pledge came from Mike Penning, MP for Hemel Hempstead and Parliamentary Under Secretary for State for Transport, during the launch of the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs latest report into the size and make-up of the classic car hobby at the Houses of Parliament last night.

Penning, who took part in this year's London to Brighton Veteran Car Run aboard the 1902 Mercedes Simplex driven by Nigel Mansell, said: "We have no plans whatsoever to restrict the use of classic and vintage vehicles, not as long as I am in my position."

He added that, on the contrary, the classic car hobby should be protected and encouraged to grow even further: "For me, they are part of our heritage, and so long as I am in charge I will protect that heritage. I want to protect and encourage the use of these cars on our roads. We want to see more and more of them [classic cars], We should be proud of them and should be proud of our heritage."

Penning said that because of Brussels it was a constant battle to protect and preserve the hobby: "If we were in charge of our own destiny, it would not be an issue, but Europe has a slightly different view, and we must take steps with them first before addressing the issues that arise from that."

Greg Knight MP, chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary Historic Vehicles Group, also vowed to continue to fight the "pen-pushers" and "petty bureaucrats" who might try to impose legislation on classic cars and classic car usage.

Knight added that Prime Minister David Cameron is a former member of the APPHVG and that his Parliamentary Private Secretary Desmond Swayne still is.

He assured guests, which included Lord Steel of Aikwood and Lord Montagu among other industry luminaries, that the classic car hobby therefore "has the ear of Government at the highest level" and that enthusiasts in parliament are "kicking out above our weight".

Although, as yet there is no advance on the reintroduction of a rolling system for road tax-emption for classic cars, both the MPs and the Federation said they would continue to lobby for it.

They also urged enthusiasts to have their say in a huge survey following the Government consultation document on the possible scrapping of the MoT test for pre-1960 classics. Click here for details.
 

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Hi I have metioned before that the government,MPs or what ever we want to call them, are not againt us useing or vehicles as the house of commons has its own classic car club.I done the FBHVC on line MOT survey last night,I dont agree with doing away with the mot on pre 1960 vehicles ,as I think that could eventually restrict use,but thats just my oppinion.....cheers DAVE
 

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I think the Mot part is recockulas just goes to show how out of touch they are with the statistics of those that use a classic vehicle daily. But thought i'd share as it is surely a ray of light?
 

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I'd believe them as much as I'd believe " The cheques in the post "! Amazing most don't believe a word they say until it is what they WANT to hear ?

Re MOT exemption, here's something I posted elsewhere.

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No MOT for pre 1960 Historics

Immediate reaction of those for whom free tax is important, great , another £50 I don't have to spend.

Reaction from those who don't believe in free lunches ,examine the detail.

"Member States may, after consulting the Commission, exclude from the scope of this Directive, or subject to special provisions, certain vehicles operated or used in exceptional conditions and vehicles which are never, or hardly ever, used on public highways, including vehicles of historic interest which were manufactured before 1 January 1960 or which are temporarily withdrawn from circulation
 

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i think too many people are reading something into nothing. these people are fighting cuts all the way, police, DVLA and VOSA are loosing jobs left right and centre, theyve got bigger things to worry about than a few thousand cars. Do you believe they are going to try and kill and industry worth £4BILLION?

the other thing to consider is there are already vehicles out there on the road with no MOT and have been for a number of years - are they restricting them or is there talk of restricting them? no... nor has there ever been.

the reason i would be against it is there are too many people out there messing with cars with no idea what theyre doing, youve just got to read some forums and see the picture of cars they think are ok to put on the road or read some of the questions about how to do a certain piece of work to their pride and joy - scares the life out of me sometimes.

a copy of the full report can be found at http://fbhvc.co.uk/files/2008/12/FBHVC-report_final-revised.pdf

i also think whats dangerous is these politicians and some other people believe the hobby exists in the way it does today because of FBHVC, this is not the case and needs to be addressed properly - how you would start to change that perception ive no idea.
 

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What might happen on the no mot thing is that you would not be able to work on the car only a professional ,like in a house wiring ,and gas .Which would not bother the upper classes as they mostly pay someone to do the work so would make no difference to them.Or need an engineers report to get an exemption.
 

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i also think whats dangerous is these politicians and some other people believe the hobby exists in the way it does today because of FBHVC, this is not the case and needs to be addressed properly - how you would start to change that perception ive no idea.
I wish whoever undertakes it the very best.
 

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The MOT exempt thing, has always, kinda worried me. I've had MOT exempt vehicles myself, but I, like most of the people on here am continuously maintaining my vehicles, so they are always in a perfect road worthy condition. I let most of you on here have, never had a vehicle fail an MOT that I've had for a while and had chance to look through. Some people don't maintain there vehicles properly or at all, and this could mean we end up with some dangerous stuff on the road. We must not forget that even though you don't need to take a vehicle to get an MOT certificate it has to be to MOT standard, if it's not you are still in the shit as far as the law goes.
 

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keep the MOT, i can see insurance companies wanting an engineers report before they insurance anyway, also, we all make mistakes, and it's good to get a professional to look aover the car once a year. Most of us are guilty of putting a job off for a little while. Sometimes the MOT can give ya a kick up the bum to get a little, meaning to do job sorted. And it keeps our hobby in a good light.

I took the time to write to my MP, and got a proper reply, so well done to Westminster, keep fighting and we will do the same.
 

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Sounds good – if you believe anything politicians say anyway!

However, it’s all very well the politicians saying they have no plans to limit classic cars but remember that the FBHVC committee (who are only interested in factory stock classics) make up somewhere between a third and a half of the FIVA committee.

If FIVA get their way and the EU adopt their definition of a classic car (ie: historically unaltered) the classic car following and industry may well be able to carry on without restrictions but it will be a major problem for those of us who have rods, customs and classics which have been modded within the 8-point system.

Why? Because to retain your classic status (and your nil VED and no MoT test) your car will have to be as it left the factory.

How are they going to know? Quite easily – to retain historic status your car will need to be certified by one of the clubs listed on the DVLA’s authorised clubs list.

That will leave the rest of us (and it’ll include a surprisingly large number of owners of classic cars too) in no-mans-land. You can’t get your car changed from Historic to PLG tax group if you want to – if you don’t believe me then try it yourself – or ask ACE they have documented cases of people who have tried it.

The FIVA proposals are still a threat and we still need to make our politicians at home and our MEPs in Europe aware that there are people other than FIVA who have an opinion of what a classic car is.
 

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Just to show how seriously the publishing world are taking this...

I sent this letter out to the editors of seven of the top selling magazines recently...
And the cumulative total of replies I got.

A big fat Zero.

It'll be going (Via E-Mail, since I can't afford 600 stamps) to each and every MP over the Christmas holidays.

The wording will be changed slightly to reflect the audiance that it is for, I'm not sure that David Cameron will know what a Roof Chop is...:D

I wonder if I'll get a different response?, after all I can't see anything unreasonable in what we're asking for.

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The publishing of the DVLA data on how many examples of given vehicles are on their database shows how badly documented vehicles are in the computers.
The data, as published, shows that there are 5-Door hatchback Allegros and 3-Door Jaguar Mk10's

It is even worse when a vehicle has been modified.

Strictly speaking, since the introduction of SVA (Now BIVA) the minute you modify a vehicle so that it falls outside of the DVLA 8-point test you should submit the vehicle for the relevant test as it has now become a ‘Radically Altered’ production vehicle.
If the vehicle has not been through the test and been issued with an MAC (Minister’s Approval Certificate), it is incorrectly registered and cannot be used on the road.

One of the easiest ways to fall foul of this is to modify the shell of a monocoque vehicle.
Now that may bring to mind radical stuff like roof chops or pickup conversions, but it’s simpler than that.

The inner wings of a Mini are considered to be part of the monocoque, put a flip front on and remove them and you have modified the monocoque and lose 5 points.

In it's strictest form even notching the bulkhead of an Escort to allow clearance for a different engine or modifying the trans tunnel to relocate a gear lever constitutes a modification to the monocoque and losed the 5 points.

The problem is that the 8 point rules specify that the 5 points for an unmodified monocoque are mandatory, once those are lost, the points cannot be made up elsewhere and thus the vehicle is liable for BIVA.

DVLA have the right, in these cases, to pull the log book and refuse registration until the vehicle has been through the test.

They have done this with a number of vehicles and recently stepped up the process, leading to a number of cars being caught in the ‘Net’.

We, at ACE, are aware of a large number of vehicles that have been caught and have been involved in getting vehicles through the test afterwards.

The problem with all of this is that DVLA didn’t actually advise people that they should have been submitting modified cars for the test, other than saying that certain modifications were notifiable.

Back in around 2000 DVLA realised that there were a large number of Kit Cars (particularly Cobra replicas that were registered as Sierras or Escorts, which should have been presented for testing but weren’t, and they granted an amnesty for the owners and gave the opportunity to correct the issue without needing to submit the vehicle.

With the mess that the records are in, and bearing in mind that it is mostly not the owner’s fault, this is a perfect opportunity for a general amnesty for all owners of ‘Incorrectly’ registered vehicles, regardless of modifications to bring their log books up to date.

Once the amnesty period is over, builders would then be in a position to build to the regs and owners of currently modified vehicles would be safe in the knowledge that their registration could not be revoked as the vehicle would be fully 'Legal'.

I would be interested to hear your opinions on this issue.

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zody i fink you hit the nail on the head in one , i fink wots been modified leave alone ,wots done is done , and if you build or mod after a certain date its needs to to tested by the guys in white coats , :tup:
 

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Dont believe a word of it. I dont give a fk who drives round with N mansell etc, hes a lying bastard and if the "right" (read--wrong) person tells him to do something HE WILL have to do what they say. Period.(He, ultimatley, will be nothing but a name for the job, people like him ALWAYS have someone above them to overule their actions)
All this to-ing and fro-ing between politicians, historians, or whoever is just pillow talk--nothing more. Shit happens or it doesnt.

It makes me smile that people who sign petitions, lobby etc think that all the work they do is considered? LMAO, it doesnt even hit the table at the right office-in fact, dont even think it does if you HAND deliver it to 10 fkn Downing street, It will be found on a fkn train where a pissed up politician leaving work--yes, pissed up at work--- has forgot it--along with everybodys personel bank details etc...blah blah, you get the picture I think
 

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Dont believe a word of it. I dont give a fk who drives round with N mansell etc, hes a lying bastard and if the "right" (read--wrong) person tells him to do something HE WILL have to do what they say. Period.(He, ultimatley, will be nothing but a name for the job, people like him ALWAYS have someone above them to overule their actions)
All this to-ing and fro-ing between politicians, historians, or whoever is just pillow talk--nothing more. Shit happens or it doesnt.

It makes me smile that people who sign petitions, lobby etc think that all the work they do is considered? LMAO, it doesnt even hit the table at the right office-in fact, dont even think it does if you HAND deliver it to 10 fkn Downing street, It will be found on a fkn train where a pissed up politician leaving work--yes, pissed up at work--- has forgot it--along with everybodys personel bank details etc...blah blah, you get the picture I think
so you dont belive it then!
 
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