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It ain’t going to happen in our life time so just drive the arse off your gas guzzling ozone polluting hot rod as much as you can and enjoy it before any more stupid ideas,rules and regulations come in from this useless government.my attitude is why should we all drive spastic electric unreliable things while the rest of the world are doing what they want still and not changing anything, good old England,plenty more to worry about I think!!
 

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That would be the sale of new cars...most of which are soulless,plastic junk...
My chevy is 63 years old and still going well..
My pals Stanley steam car is 110 years old....
If you look after your ride .....
 

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I see lots more in the statement than others ( as per usual) .

First thing is clarification of the actual wording not how it's being reported . Is it sales of new cars or registrations which has many other implications.

Won't affect me either way but don't forget the UN is commited to zero road deaths by 2050 which is driving the demand for autonomous cars, electric is just a smoke screen .

I can give the usual chapter and verse of how it will play out but I get tired of talking to myself so...yeah, it'll all be fine , we can carry on using our cars forever :)
 

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I see lots more in the statement than others ( as per usual) .

First thing is clarification of the actual wording not how it's being reported . Is it sales of new cars or registrations which has many other implications.

Won't affect me either way but don't forget the UN is commited to zero road deaths by 2050 which is driving the demand for autonomous cars, electric is just a smoke screen .

I can give the usual chapter and verse of how it will play out but I get tired of talking to myself so...yeah, it'll all be fine , we can carry on using our cars forever :)
Thanks Kapri, great response.
 

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As we get closer to the 2030 ban it will be interesting to see how the price of petrol climbs as demand drops.
 

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Cant wait for electric Fire Engines...yea, that'll work LOL 500 lights and a fkn oversized windscreen washer motor to power the hose....its not happening, ever, mainstream.
 

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What I think it will mean: ever increasing cost of fossil fuel, which will make our hobby significantly more expensive; imports and registering will be banned in and amongst; zones, possibly even whole cities, will be for EV only as will some lanes on roads; electric will become the majority vehicles; the huge cost to the normal man and woman in the street will see a chunk of people giving up cars altogether (they are banking on it); classics will be subject to all sorts of use restrictions.
Of course this will take some time, but manufacturers are being forced to tool up for electric and will want to see a return on their investment.
Could anything hasten the demise of our cars? Well, imagine a fatal crash involving an old car, with a large engine, marginal brakes and horror of horrors, no MOT. I don't think it would even matter whose fault it was once the redtop newspapers started throwing about headlines on "Old bangers (they love that phrase) with TEN TIMES (they love capital letters to make a point too) the stopping distance of today's cars, NO safety equipment like airbags or ABS and MASSIVELY POLLUTING engines.
If anyone thinks they couldn't take it all away in the blink of an eye, they haven't lived through the last nine months...who'd have thought in November 2019 we would ever be told by the state we would have to stay indoors, we were banned from seeing friends or family and even making dissenting comments about what was going on might get you a knock at the door from Plod.
I'm not making a political point about covid, just pointing out that, like life itself, we take the status quo for granted, with that warm comfortable feeling nothing will change, or if it does we will all be old and grey by the time it happens. I'm afraid that's not the pace of the world any more. We might have 20 years, it might be 10, but I suspect there's bugger all we can do to stop it. Enjoy while you can.
 

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I hear you Poncho. I never imagined the powers to be would get the public not to go to their places of worship.
There are some fired up religious folks out there but they took it!!

I hope that as the use of fossil fuels reduces that said modes of transport which indulge actually become more valuable. :tup:
I have neither the money nor wish to go hybrid or electric so premium unleaded for me :D

Time for folks to get their dream ride as a keeper and carry on.
 
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Unfortunately, we're a tiny minority. The general public likes new things, whether that's cars, phones (folk look aghast when I pull out a Nokia), new kitchens, clothes etc. Look at the ads on TV. By the time 2030 comes around the majority of vehicles you see on the road today (including the electric ones) will have been displaced by new ones. I drive old stuff on a daily basis, and I'm treated like a curiosity eg must be unreliable, uncomfortable, lack of essentials like satnav and so on. Not if it's well looked after. They could introduce legislation to curb old vehicle use, but as said, it'll be the price of fuel and access to it that will be prohibitive. Us: "£10 a litre for petrol is daylight robbery" Them: "What's the big deal? You're only supposed to be using the vehicle half a dozen times a year to get to a show". Ironically, diesel might be easier to get hold of than petrol as heavy lorries and psvs will likely still have to be sold (and used for a long time) after 2030.
 

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Ironically, diesel might be easier to get hold of than petrol as heavy lorries and psvs will likely still have to be sold (and used for a long time) after 2030.
That probably wont help, they could just make diesel for comercial vehicle use only (or have a "red diesel" type scenario where there will be dual fuel duty rates, one for comercial vehicles and one for private (they already have that for boats)
 

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What I think it will mean: ever increasing cost of fossil fuel, which will make our hobby significantly more expensive; imports and registering will be banned in and amongst; zones, possibly even whole cities, will be for EV only as will some lanes on roads; electric will become the majority vehicles; the huge cost to the normal man and woman in the street will see a chunk of people giving up cars altogether (they are banking on it); classics will be subject to all sorts of use restrictions.
Of course this will take some time, but manufacturers are being forced to tool up for electric and will want to see a return on their investment.
Could anything hasten the demise of our cars? Well, imagine a fatal crash involving an old car, with a large engine, marginal brakes and horror of horrors, no MOT. I don't think it would even matter whose fault it was once the redtop newspapers started throwing about headlines on "Old bangers (they love that phrase) with TEN TIMES (they love capital letters to make a point too) the stopping distance of today's cars, NO safety equipment like airbags or ABS and MASSIVELY POLLUTING engines.
If anyone thinks they couldn't take it all away in the blink of an eye, they haven't lived through the last nine months...who'd have thought in November 2019 we would ever be told by the state we would have to stay indoors, we were banned from seeing friends or family and even making dissenting comments about what was going on might get you a knock at the door from Plod.
I'm not making a political point about covid, just pointing out that, like life itself, we take the status quo for granted, with that warm comfortable feeling nothing will change, or if it does we will all be old and grey by the time it happens. I'm afraid that's not the pace of the world any more. We might have 20 years, it might be 10, but I suspect there's bugger all we can do to stop it. Enjoy while you can.
One only needs to look back over the last few years at London and the initial introduction of the congestion charge and how it actually worked for the first 6 - 9 months in reducing pollution (and congestion) - it didn't take too long to become accepted then willingly paid by many people, becoming a cash cow for TFL/HMG. With gradual increases over the following years, the subsequent introduction of the ULEZ zone (which ironically doesn't affect 'historics') we now have the scenario that TFL is effectively 'bust' and the much talked about/proposed extension of the congestion charge to encompass the north and south circular roads really seems inevitable - this time there will be minimal or no discount for anyone who lives within the extended zone.........financial implications for Londoners and others who live/work/travel within the zone are really significant. Question is will London residents take it?.............................
 
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I used to be told I needed to take off my tinfoil hat when I mentioned this stuff. I always thought fine, but one day your gonna need to remove the blinkers .

lockdowns have little to do with virus control more to do with generating fear and maintaining population control .. Dont you think its peculiar that the virus takes a back seat for Christmas... and all we got for christmas was a magic vaccine .. for a mystery virus . 6 months ago we were told a vaccine was 10 years away, the virus mutated so quick we might all be dead by the end of the week so stay in and stay safe .. Hmm 7 months down the line a vaccine magically appears not by one lab but by 4 or 5 different labs all hitting the jackpot at the same time and and not only that but with a success rate of 95% for some and 94.5 for others LOL really ,, 20 years the same folk have been looking for a cold and flu vaccine and the best cure is still OVD and green ginger ... FFS before the end of the year they will be dishing out vaccines , they ordered enough to vaccinate the entire population.. Now if you dont get it it will come with some problems , like you probably wont get life insurance ( big deal leave me out to rot I will be dead and wont give a fuck ) just tip me in the purple waste bin and take me to the land fill ..

You wont get a passport , you wont get finance, and you will be restricted in other things like employment .. Its a given, and to cap it all you WILL have to carry and produce your vaccination card... otherwise known as an ID card to travel to other areas .. This is more than a change to electric cars this is hearalding in the new world order at braek neck speed , they just had to wait for the right moment ..

OK thats a wee bit off the original posters point , you wont be entitled to drive in the near future , think about it, the price ad availability of electric cars and charging points will restrict ownership.. Your Historic registered classics on free rod rent and no MOT is the first thing they will come for after the next push .. You wont be driving them , end of .. at least not as you have been used to .. But what are you gonna do about it .. ? Already buisnesses realise you can work from home and they can shed expensive office space .. cha ching .. and best of all you dont have to travel to work ,,, clever eh .. in via the back door ..

You will probably find you wont be elagible for a black box road tariff recorder because you are HISTORIC and why would you need to go on the motor way for 100 miles or more ... Big plans dont unfold overnight they are in the pipeline being rolled out bits at a time, right under your nose, and you miss it . Usually because your seduced by some other titivating titbit they toss your way by way of a distraction.. VIZ Face book, and the likes ... Mobile phones and cheap bank loans .. And when they have you buttoned up and under control , bif baf bosh, your done up like a kipper .. You need to comply to pay your bills and you cant hide because you bared your entire life on a fucking social media site with a trillion other shallow fuckwits and celebrity wannabees .. and you all fell for it .. These few fuckers that are running the world must be laughing there collective cocks off, when they aint sucking them in shadowy dens of debotchery .. Funny how the peado thing has disapeared as well... the hoy paloy will be breathing a sigh of relief .

Now back to the not driving cars business .. Just watch the telly for a minute ( if you can bare to watch the bullshit that they throw at you these days ) Keep a eye on the adds .. Some interesting sugestive adverts on the TV just now , designed to make you rethink your way of life .. Case no 1 The black boxer fella wandering down HIS manner , keeping it real keeping it local supporting local businesses , supporting your local shops cafes and hang outs , no need to travel further than the end of the street , its all on your doorstep.. A bit piss poor scheduling given that all the shops are closed but the idea behind the add is to make you think about staying local nothing to do with COVID everything to do with not using your car ... dig away more and more and before long just like the sugestion of going green 10 years ago, boom its on yah and you accept it .. expect more adds like that backed up by soaps and the media .. The 4th industrial revolution is here and is accelerating at warp speed ...The only reward you will receive for your lemming like compliance is a right royal shafting.

Good luck to the next generation ,fingers crossed for WW 3 asap China Vs the rest of the world When Biden and the liberal slave trading Democrats refinance them you might as well stick your head between your legs and kiss you ass good by .

PS the incoming Vice president ( soon to be president and slo joe wont last long ) is in the pocket of George Soros .

She refused to prosecute the ceo of One west Bank, one Steve Mnuchin ... One west bank was owned by George Soros , taken to court in California by 5000 borrowers .. the DA dealing with the case was none other than Kamala Harris , Mnuchin / Soros donated to her political cause and the court case went away .. The electorate subsequently didnt vote for her in the presidential candidacy ( where she tore a strip of one Joe Biden identifying and outing him as a racist.
5 months later shes nominated as Vice president and accepts the position .. and happy t work with her racist boss LOL you cant make this stuff up.. Unfortunately Mnuchin also worked for Trump so Soros has his finger in there as well .. The world is a seriously fucked up place in the 21st century.. Soros playing both sides just like the Rothschilds

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-onewest-redlining-20161115-story.html

https://wedacoalition.org/2019/09/27/this-is-why-kamala-harris-refused-to-prosecute-steve-mnuchin/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathan...ore-big-selling-onewest-bank-for-3-4-billion/

Fuck all to do with the shift to the new world order, whoops, new normal / electric vehicles, or is it ?

This shit realy does need to be out there so the plebs can see there being done over ..

Pheww! another great rant LOL..
 

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You used to tell me I was imagining 'reds under the beds' when I kept bringing this up over the past 10 years! ;) Though I used to only publicise where the motoring aspect was going I was / am fully aware of the control factor that people can't get enough of to make their lives easier .

Obvious as the nose on your face that Biden won't last and he has only been put forward as an acceptable face. Can you imagine Trump supporters when faced with the alternative of a BAME woman in charge . My prediction is that we will see a replay of the Kennedy solution where an enraged 'Trump supporter ' will take him out .

My longterm prediction is that before 2050 there will be no private ownership of vehicles ( well for the masses anyway) and we will be ferried any short distances we may still need to travel by fleets of Johnny Cabs.
 

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Stealth control that is being rolled out unknowingly by the Social Media Zombies. Take a step back, sit down with a cup of coffee and go all misty eyed and remember the 1990's and earlier. Not the music, the cars, the fashion, but what YOU used to do, not just tasks but the amount of control that YOU exercised while doing it. YOU had to think about your actions (and the consequences) but YOU had choices!

Hold onto that coffee as the room spins and fast forward to today, but you're not involved, you're on the outside taking an observatory look into today's life being run by our new young adults (under 45). Concentrating on car ownership as that's what this thread is about:

- When did you last see an advert for a new car that told you how much it cost to go and buy it outright? It's all about long term lease/rent/invest in something you'll never own. It's all to get folks used to never actually owning a car. I bought my car last year, a six month old Volvo V90, bought it from Volvo (one of their demonstrators), the salesman couldn't believe I wanted to actually buy it outright. Haggling was almost an alien practice to him.

- Wandering round showrooms and taking something you fancy for a test drive? Wise up Grandad! It's all done online now, look at Cazzoo and other similar sites where you buy a car as if you were buying a new toaster on Amazon.

- Car maintenance? Far too complicated. Is it fuck. Sure, diagnostics isn't straightforward but oil changes, brake pads and (horror of horrors) changing your own wheel if you get a puncture (assuming you have a spare), no, that's a specialist job for the experts so that Mr & Mrs Uptotheirbollocksindebt don't have to get their hands dirty/have a tool kit.

- Pay and display? Putting money in a machine for a ticket so you can pay £5 to park for an hour and enjoy your £15 cup of responsibly sourced, ethnically moral coffee? No, just use your "Park & Go" app on your phone. It might be convenient but your joining the ever growing band of zombies who are only too happy to tell the authorities where YOU are, what time you got there and what time you left.

- Exercise? A bit of Strava boasting? Where you ran, your average speed, your heart rate. All shared on a social media platform. All able to pin point where you were and at what time.

I could go on and on, but I can't be arsed. Social media has a place, I use it as I am doing now, but folks need to wake up and understand it's implications before blindingly following the zombies. But they won't. Common sense and self thinking is being replaced by an app that will do it for you. I'm glad I'm 51 and have had some good (reckless) times doing what I want to do and when I want to. I used to feel sorry for my daughter stepping into todays world, but she doesn't know any different.
 

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Carrying on from the above, "we" (as in the old fart car enthusiasts) aren't doing ourselves any favours by thinking that the pile of rusty od shit we've got in the garage is your pension fund. A few years back there was an unwritten harmony between those selling and those buying, something was listed at a realistic price, someone would offer 15% less and you'd shake hands on an amicable price. Fast forward to today:

- Someone advertises a terminally rotten 1973 Hillman Hunter on Facebook as "serious offers only, I know what this worth". Countless penniless knob-jockeys chip in with "bargain", "sweet", "if only I wasn't broke", etc, etc. The seller then believes that his shit box really is the new gold.

- Someone advertises a car for a realistic price, they've done some research, they know what they are actually selling for but wants to get rid of it so puts it up for a few quid less than the others. These attract the wannabe Mike Brewers who stride in wanting to "flip it" and offer less than half the asking price, believing they're doing them a favour.

We then find ourselves in the odd position of cars having escalating price tags putting them out of reach of those that actually want to buy and enjoy them. I watch various 60's through to 80's Fords changing hands several times and re-appearing on the market with ever escalating price tags. Have you seen the price of rotten 105E Anglias or mk5 Cortinas???? There is a biege low mileage mk5 Cortina 2 door that keeps changing hands, it's immaculate, but a base model 1.3. It's currently up for around £9K. A LOT of money but it's one of the most rust free cars you'll ever see. There's another 2 door mk5 on the market, it's rotten, messed with and needs a LOT of new panels to make presentable, the seller "knows what its worth" and wants £6,995.
 

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Just a thought . In these times of apologising for slavery when people were physically stolen and forced to work many have missed the fact that we are all ( i'm not any longer) still slaves but the chains are made of debt .

..and a thought on the Brave New World ...when currently money is actually based on hours productivity by wage slaves ...how will wealth be measured when no one works?
 
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