Have I been watching too much YouTube or is it too much beer, has the world gone mad over COVID ( new word for the Oxford dictionary) ,it seems that the government/ police have implemented so many new laws that no matter what we do we are screwed ?, so much that I see I agree with but am I been fooled into a false sense of security?, and what’s this about the great reboot, is this pandemic just a means to an end ?, are we doomed or just carry on as usual, derr I think I’ve just answered my own answer,( too much time at home and too much beer) , surely this can’t be the way ahead, we need a holiday.
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It seems to me the cost has been too great...spiralling mental health issues, people not getting treatment for illnesses that will DEFINITELY kill them (like cancer) to control one that might if they are unlucky, devastating economic impact, families torn apart, the sick and the elderly having to die alone and all the while we hope for an end to a pandemic, relying on a Government that has no master plan for escape and a health service that is so dysfunctional it will probably never get on top of it. Happy New Year!
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Poiitics has always been polarised imo so despite anyones preferences Nige says it like it is.
Features that discraceful bundle in someones home in Scotland by zealous cops thinking AN UNALLOWED VISITOR HAD ENTERED THE HOUSE!!! And another story about divide and rule by dobbing in a neighbour thinking because he played loud music he must have a houseful of guests.
With worrying conclusion that hastily introduced laws may be very slow to be relaxed removed.
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Everything Poncho has said is correct, and it all seems to be because we can't come to terms with the fact that people, when they get very old, start to get sick and die. That's the natural order of things and that's how it should be.
And some individuals and businesses do have a vested interest in perpetuating this 'crisis' (I use inverted commas because a crisis is only a crisis when you start to panic; keep a level head and a crisis won't materialise). Look no further than Google, Facebook and Twitter, which are actively censoring dissent, while they wield power that kings and emperors could only ever have dreamed of, and the small business owner is completely left in the lurch.
And some individuals and businesses do have a vested interest in perpetuating this 'crisis' (I use inverted commas because a crisis is only a crisis when you start to panic; keep a level head and a crisis won't materialise). Look no further than Google, Facebook and Twitter, which are actively censoring dissent, while they wield power that kings and emperors could only ever have dreamed of, and the small business owner is completely left in the lurch.
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THAT is what most people simply do not accept that death is invitable. They fight to have people saved so that they don't have to have the pain of loss often overlooking the fact thye are prolonging a miserable existence rather than giving any quality which is far more important. THAT is why the NHS is underfunded as more expensive treatments become available to extend life but should that be done at all costs ?
However there's a big difference to extending life and that of ensuring that peopl eget their fair shake at 3 score years and ten.
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The Harold Shipman defence.
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yep, if your pet cat, dog or whatever was ill with no quality of life you'd do the right thing and put it to sleep. but us humans don't get that option (in most countries) to go with dignity when the time comes.
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Nothing natural about what Shipman did! I think Nigel and Kev's point is that eventually, we will reach a stage where the elderly are kept alive indefinitely by artificial means, years after any semblance of quality of life has gone. Meanwhile, vast swathes of people, many of them young, will die for want of treatment as the NHS collapses under the weight of demand. The media will trumpet victory for science as Mrs Miggins reaches 185years old (she won't know as most of her mental function died 50 years ago) and the public will lap it up, whilst simultaneously decrying the lack of basic care and blaming the Govt for not spending enough on the bottomless money pit of the NHS.
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Zack,
You might want to visit a local hospital.
Wards are now full of YOUNG people with Covid - 19 to 40 year olds and their lungs are in the words of the NHS 'totally fucked' - far worse that the lungs of anyone earlier in the year. They are full of Pleuresy & Pnuemonia brought on by Covid. Still, not a problem for you as you don't believe it exists and as you are young you are immune.
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Don't misrepresent anything I've said.
On 30th December, I sent a Freedom of Information request to Croydon Health Services NHS Trust, asking how many Covid deaths had been recorded in Croydon hospitals, what age group they were in and which ones had comorbidities, and what dates the deaths were recorded. Public bodies have a statutory requirement to answer FOIs within 20 working days of them having been submitted. I received a reply the following day saying that Croydon NHS Trust wasn't going to respect its duty to comply with statute due to 'urgent Public Health (proper noun?!) priorities'.
Also on 30th December, someone posted a film online of Croydon University Hospital looking somewhat less than preoccupied. I am fully aware that those films can be very selective in what they show, but I'll take them on their merits until I see proof of the opposite. Forgive me if I am slightly sceptical of your claim that NHS wards are full of young people, at least until the NHS decides it's not above the law and actually proves you right by honouring my FOI.
Now, taking your doomsday scenario seriously, having a virus running around killing people here and there is one of life's shit things. It falls to us to then make life better. Totalitarianism is making it worse, just like it always does.
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Perhaps the people at Croydon Hospital have better things to do with thier time? I know that if I was working in a hospital right now I would be stuffing things like that in the "to do later if I can be bothered tray"
I have two nurses living less than 50 yards from me, one in her late fifties and one in her sixties. Both are specialist nurses but are working ten hour shifts on Covid wards
people are dying every day and not "just old people" this is not a time for wastingamybodies time with spurious information requests..
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Perhaps the people at Croydon Hospital have better things to do with thier time? I know that if I was working in a hospital right now I would be stuffing things like that in the "to do later if I can be bothered tray"
I have two nurses living less than 50 yards from me, one in her late fifties and one in her sixties. Both are specialist nurses but are working ten hour shifts on Covid wards
people are dying every day and not "just old people" this is not a time for wasting anybodies time with spurious information requests..
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Fine. I've got better things to be doing than obeying the laws I don't like, too.
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In fairness, whether it's right or wrong to ask the question at this moment, public bodies are legally obliged to answer FOI. It won't hinder any health professionals fighting to save lives, as all public sector organisations employ individuals whose specific job is to deal with FOI, not nurses and doctors. The media are the main requestors as it provides them with a free, if unimaginative, source of stories...how much did X organisations spend on paper clips last year etc. It's surprising if health trusts don't have those figures available off the shelf as they are presumably vital in tracking the scale and nature of the disease?
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Well Zack, why don't you volunteer at your local hospital to see it firsthand?
As previously mentioned, my Mrs runs the imaging dept of 3 major London hospitals (Charing Cross, St Mary's & The Hammersmith) and their wards are 100% full I can assure you.
The situation is more than dire, I know personally many people now in ITU, many of whom are NHS workers trying to look after idiots like you.
Rather than choosing to believe some minority program over the overwhelming evidence under your nose you might want to open your eyes and see the real situation.
Poncho,
You are correct that there will be a dept not on the frontline that deals with the stats, but those stats are changing by the hour and pretty well every dept is tied up in the management of the crisis whether they are front line or not. The logistics involved are mind boggling - the zoom meetings I listen to while my mrs works from home are pretty eye opening.
As previously mentioned, my Mrs runs the imaging dept of 3 major London hospitals (Charing Cross, St Mary's & The Hammersmith) and their wards are 100% full I can assure you.
The situation is more than dire, I know personally many people now in ITU, many of whom are NHS workers trying to look after idiots like you.
Rather than choosing to believe some minority program over the overwhelming evidence under your nose you might want to open your eyes and see the real situation.
Poncho,
You are correct that there will be a dept not on the frontline that deals with the stats, but those stats are changing by the hour and pretty well every dept is tied up in the management of the crisis whether they are front line or not. The logistics involved are mind boggling - the zoom meetings I listen to while my mrs works from home are pretty eye opening.
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Someone locally 'got into' the local QA hospital and filmed pictures of corridors devoid of people and allegedly also filmed in A&E . Not sure how they managed the last bit as A&E is strictly Ambulance or prior 111 appointment only?( been there and accesss controlled by security and YES it is empty a sonly really ill patients are being seen .
Since 1/1/2020 they have been 50 deaths from covid ON THE WARDS , as confirmed by my SIL who works in ICU . As per many hopsitals they are not taking in 'general' COVID patients but only those in the highest priority needs. 2 personal friends have had it and one was lucky enough not to need hospilsation.
The other is very ill and at home but is being phoned every 3 hours to check his oxygen levels whilst being treated with medicine prescribed by the hospital . They are also only admitting those in severe need ie intubation.
Did anyone see the 'propoganda' on TV last night of the yemp mortuarys being set up in Surrey as the normal storage is overun ...and the expect the temp storage to be overun within acouple of days .
Since 1/1/2020 they have been 50 deaths from covid ON THE WARDS , as confirmed by my SIL who works in ICU . As per many hopsitals they are not taking in 'general' COVID patients but only those in the highest priority needs. 2 personal friends have had it and one was lucky enough not to need hospilsation.
The other is very ill and at home but is being phoned every 3 hours to check his oxygen levels whilst being treated with medicine prescribed by the hospital . They are also only admitting those in severe need ie intubation.
Did anyone see the 'propoganda' on TV last night of the yemp mortuarys being set up in Surrey as the normal storage is overun ...and the expect the temp storage to be overun within acouple of days .
You might want to be careful in replies to this person as you may end being quoted in his signature section like others who disagree with his views.
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