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But the vaccines (esp Astra) have been around for a while. The Astra vaccine framework was developed nearly 20 years ago and has only been modified to work with Covid. Vaccine centres around the world have been working on these for decades (started before SARS appeared) and nothing has been rushed in the laboratory stages. The 'rush' has been removing all the waiting times & red tape that each stage has to wait for in the normal scheme of things, combined with the knowledge sharing which does not normally happen.

For me I will be happy to keep having a yearly 'top up' while Covid remains a threat. I suspect like most virus's it will weaken and become more of a nuiscance (like Flu) so may not require the younger/fitter population to have jabs in the future and it will end up like the flu jab is now for the older/more vulnerable people.

I have never bothered with the Flu jab (I'm 58) up until this year - I'm healthy & fit for my age so thought I did not need it. This year I had it for the first time as it seemed prudent under the circumstances. I suspect I will start having it from now on though.
 

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I will continue to have mine. Not based on what I read in the media but what has happened to some friends along with explanations from two trusted friends who have worked in pharmaceuticals all of their lives at a senior level.
 

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I will keep having these jabs because COVID is not flu
I have had flu a few times and I caught COVID a year ago. That was unlike any flu that I have had before and scared the shit out of me, not because it made me cough so much I thought my ribs would break (flu does that) but because of the hypoxia (no oxygen getting to the blood) this was like being on some weird mind bending drug and made it impossible to carry out the simplest of tasks, not to mention the weired taste effects and long term tierdness. I have never had those symtoms from flu. Since then I have had all three jabs and been in contact quite a few times with people that have had COVID and not caught it again. But I will keep having these jabs as long as they keep coming..
 

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It was a simple question, will you, or will you not allow shit injected into you forever.....if an "expert" tells you its for the good? cant be that hard to answer
I reiterate, there is no agenda here, my thoughts/interests are purely my own
no agenda at all there...!
Would I allow 'shit' to be injected into me by 'experts', no, although fecal transplants are proven effective- so maybe putting shit into people is sometimes good.
Taking a tested vaccine offered by experts, yes.

Vaccination works becuase it's a social enterprise. Some things we do for the sake of the people around us.
 

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I mean, if a few odd mechanics told you your engine did not need oil, it could have lemonade put in instead and the whole putting oil in it was made up just to sell us oil for profit, would we believe it?
Seem to remember reading or hearing somewhere that the old timers used to use cooking oil in the winter. May have just been an old wife's tale though.

Been jabbed and fair play to the guys and girls who volunteer their time to work in the vaccine centres (y).. wouldn't fancy doing that job much.
 

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no agenda at all there...!
Would I allow 'shit' to be injected into me by 'experts', no, although fecal transplants are proven effective- so maybe putting shit into people is sometimes good.
Taking a tested vaccine offered by experts, yes.

Vaccination works becuase it's a social enterprise. Some things we do for the sake of the people around us.
Stop talking fkn bollox, thats MY opinion of it...I didnt say anyone had to agree with it.
 

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Stop talking fkn bollox, thats MY opinion of it...I didnt say anyone had to agree with it.
Happy to be corrected if there's anything I've said that's bollox. Some people have the opinion that the moon is made of cheese. Whilst this is a valid theory, science has quite a lot of evidence to suggest alternate therories hold more weight.

However, my opinion is this is a hotrod forum so probably gonna leave it there.
 

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Ill wait and see if it affects me going on holidays.

Got to have a swine fever jab soon and no idea whats in that but need it to get into where im going.

And that a good point.those who say the science isnt strong enough, especially the average man are really talking out their arses.

What exactly does the average bod know about science ,let alone the science involved in making vacines. Fuck all is what they know.

Id guess most of the medical profession dont know fook about it either.

Im pretty sure the bloke who invented the vaccine knows nothing about brain surgery.

Just goes to show the stupidity of the world.

Me i know nothing about nothing
 

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Seem to remember reading or hearing somewhere that the old timers used to use cooking oil in the winter. May have just been an old wife's tale though.

Been jabbed and fair play to the guys and girls who volunteer their time to work in the vaccine centres (y).. wouldn't fancy doing that job much.
Yep, been volunteering for a year next week - it's actually good fun a lot of the time.
 

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Ill wait and see if it affects me going on holidays.

Got to have a swine fever jab soon and no idea whats in that but need it to get into where im going.

And that a good point.those who say the science isnt strong enough, especially the average man are really talking out their arses.

What exactly does the average bod know about science ,let alone the science involved in making vacines. Fuck all is what they know.

Id guess most of the medical profession dont know fook about it either.

Im pretty sure the bloke who invented the vaccine knows nothing about brain surgery.

Just goes to show the stupidity of the world.

Me i know nothing about nothing
I agree Wayne, you know plenty about welding and a vaccine expert would bow to your expertise if he wanted a chassis done. As such we do have to trust people who are specialists to know what they are doing. Ok some may not, but the overwhelming majority do and are monitored by their peers.
 

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It was a simple question, will you, or will you not allow shit injected into you forever.....if an "expert" tells you its for the good? cant be that hard to answer
I reiterate, there is no agenda here, my thoughts/interests are purely my own
If you want a direct answer, it's a yes from me, unless there's some real evidence it is harmful. I know people who won't have the jab but they'll stuff their face with a dodgy kebab after a skinful. I know where I think the risk is there.
I think the vaccines are more likely to be ineffective than dangerous, but if it's the only way I'll get my feet on US soil, or any foreign soil, again, then so be it, I'll take my chances. I'm knocking on the door of 60 and something's gonna get me in the next few years. No point worrying too much. But just because I say yes, I think everyone should have the chance to say no, without being punished or treated as second class citizens
 

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I wonder if more doctors and health workers would have it if it was a labour government telling them to have it...?

Working in the care sector, I had mine in the first wave with no side affects. I'm neither pro nor anti, it's up to the individual. I do wonder if the 'you don't know what's in it' people take ANY medication though...

I also wonder if the 'pro' side worry if the driver next to them at the lights has their seatbelt on in case THEY have a crash...
Speaking from a country that has a labour government, there is just as large a % of health workers walking off the job here, along with 1000+ police. The list of people here willing to give up their careers rather than taking an enforced injection of an 'experimental' drug is long. I am one of them.

Back to the Labour/Conservative comparison, it is odd that both of our governments (along with lots of others) are singing from the same songsheet. Both have covertly introduced draconian 'emergency' laws which, if enforced, will tear apart our respective countries.
Both are also flaunting their own non-compliance of their own laws in our face, Boris (apparently) didn't know he was going to a party (yeah, right) and our PM has fast-tracked a number of people through the border (bypassing the isolation and testing requirements) to attend her wedding. One of them brought Omicron into the country. They are all criminals and should be treated as such.
 

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So no one will actually SAY if they will keep rolling up to be injected, that was the question, just wondering how far folk will go before they say no (hopefully it wont carry on but.....)
Damned right I would, never had a whiff of flue since I was eligible for the flue jab (way too many years ago to think about) never had mumps, polio, tetanus or any of the tropical diseases and other things that jabs have protected me from. What's the difference?

I do hope you survive for another 5 years to prove your point...
Was not my reply, the first one after you asked the question, not quite clear enough for you?
 

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It was a simple question, will you, or will you not allow shit injected into you forever.....if an "expert" tells you its for the good? cant be that hard to answer
I reiterate, there is no agenda here, my thoughts/interests are purely my own
Sure I answered this in post 16
 

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Great subject and YES I personally will allow the Jabs for the foreseeable future!

I had my Booster last Friday and I have ben in bed for 5+ days with flu like symptoms!
I am allergic to penicillin and they wouldn't let me have the Pfizer last month?
But after a 4 week wait, they said the AZ 'its all gone' and therefore its Pfizer or nowt...

I lost an old friend last year, the same age as me to Covid.
He was fit as a fiddle and we said how well he looked in recent times, so sad.

As me and my good wife are now housebound (two years March) we only go out for JABS!
Its been life changing for us both, but catching Covid is not for us...

No one likes to be forced to do anything that may eventually harm them.

But we all drank excessively, smoked 40 **** a day and stood next to the loudspeakers at concerts!
What that has done to our 'fragile weedy' bodies is any ones guess???

Do you remember Polio?
A friend of mine had it as a child and the outcome was horrible for him!
He has struggled all his life with the after effects of it.

We have cured a lot of diseases that did terrible harm to us humans.

Covid is always here with us and probably always will be...
 
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