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Ive been watching drag racing for a long time now and I think one of the things that is missing from the smaller events is the drag teams that work on the tightest of bugets, with a scatch built chassis and rover V8. Now I'm not saying that alot of teams are not feeling the financial pinch, but where are those racers gone, is it the rules,or what:beuj:Jeff

Or am I missing somthing
Or the age thing:smoke:Jeff
 

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Im wondering the same thing now youve mentioned it, its rules and regulations changing all the time i guess, its making the sport more expensive!
 

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I don't want to take anything away from any of the guys that already race but walking around the pits in the early days watching a racer take things of his own car so he could put another run in ,I don't know it just seems those racers are gone ,and what a shame.:smoke:Jeff
 

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Used to be lots a few years ago especially at Shakey, correct me if i am wrong but didn't the wild bunch start off as low buck racing? I expect over the years with safety issues and construction rules etc even that cheap racing has gone the other way and become expensive.

Over in the States and Australia there seems to be an interest in the HA/GR class, have a look on the HAMB. Home made, back to roots racing, using in-line 6, 4s and flatheads with limited mods, no narrowed axles, manual boxes (I think), providing these cars are constructed safely I reckon you could have some cheap fun!! Hummmm where did I put the number for my local steel stockist...

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The Wild Bunch came about to cater for nostalgia race cars which we're no longer competative or outdated in terms of current construction rules. There are still cars raced competativley on budgets as well as tagged cars running in MSA rounds. All the cars that run in the bunch pass scrutineering and comply to basic construction and safety rules.

If there was a call for these type of cars people would build them ?
 

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Trouble with most sport is that when the Big Money enters the scene a lot of the fun is lost. I used to help with a comp altered back in the day and it was done with surprisingly little money, eventually my mate gave up after some success saying that ''its not racing cars any more its racing wallets".
Personally I prefer seeing events like Hot Rod Drags,Mopar Nats and the racing Damn Yankees put on at North Weald.
 

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Perhaps there could be another class called "THE MILD BUNCH" run along the same lines? bracket type would be best so whoever gets to the other end first wins
 

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Entry fees can all add up as well as meeting current safety regs.

Santa Pod has a RWYB almost every fortnight...nothing to stop you taking a car there...we've been taking Deb's car for shakedown/tuning runs prior to her running in Pro Et next year.
 

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Perhaps there could be another class called "THE MILD BUNCH" run along the same lines? bracket type would be best so whoever gets to the other end first wins
not sold on the class name... but if thats what you'd race, then go for it, all you need is group of like minded people and to run the club, meetings / championship.

With regards to entry fees and safety regs. For us an MSA meeting is only marginally dearer than a RWYB. Obviously you can get knocked out in MSA but on the flipside you could win prize money. The safety regs are there for a reason, the only gripe I have with them in the reliance on SFI spec driver wear. Because of this the suits are virtually double the price of FIA spec suits, same goes for boots and gloves etc.

Theres ways of racing on the cheap and having good competaive fun. I think an outlaw bracket series run at RWYB meetings for cars running no quicker than 11.99, no trans brakes, no throttle stop, no delay box, breakouts allowed , closest average to fixed dial in. No MSA license needed, track safety rules only, all it takes is somebody to run it !
 

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i miss those kind of cars, simple build, rover v8 power, hence why me and tom are building the a40 :tup:

the old rover v8 championship was designed to be a low cost way into racing back in the mid 80s, which it was for a while, but as ever it progressed until a few tube frame cars remained and every one else kinda moved away from it, dam impressive those cars were though! remember steve green, ian hampstead, trev langfeild etc..... ah happy days :D
 

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With regards to entry fees and safety regs. For us an MSA meeting is only marginally dearer than a RWYB. Obviously you can get knocked out in MSA but on the flipside you could win prize money. The safety regs are there for a reason, the only gripe I have with them in the reliance on SFI spec driver wear. Because of this the suits are virtually double the price of FIA spec suits, same goes for boots and gloves etc.
A RWYB is typically £10 entry + £25 signing on fee for (generally) as many runs as you can get in.

Pro Et is in the region of £135 entry + £50 for electric whether you want it or not.

I wasn't knocking the safety regs, just pointing out that your car has to meet them...unlike a RWYBer.

I assume that WB cars are tagged to a speed like (for example) Deb's Pro Et car?

The race wear is a bone of contention with a great many racers I think.
 

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This is the responce that I was hoping for and everybody that has replied
has contributed some very useful points, (pause for thought) Sod it somthing has got to be done, I want to have a go and I definatly haven't got the sort of money that get me into the low figuers, So how about this, £2000 for a rail of some shape or form, posibly built from donated parts or something.

Any feedback on this thought would be appreciated:smoke:Jeff
 

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One simple way to ensure a cheap series, which has been used before in other types of racing, is a 'Buy It' rule. You decide a fixed price, and the rule is anyone can buy the winning car for that price. Common sense then dictates no-one spends anywhere near that much money building a car to race. Don't know how practical that would be, and it would perhaps tend to penalise those who can build by putting the hours and skills in, when someone else could then get their labour off them cheaply, but it's a point to ponder maybe?
 

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Im wondering the same thing now youve mentioned it, its rules and regulations changing all the time i guess, its making the sport more expensive!
i 100% agree with ya im trying to do my moggy the same as you Tommy were taking it back to basics weve bought a cheap ol brit car and had some fun building it bunged in a v8 and go racing on not alot of money

and i know mine aint finished so dont you start anything northerner!!!
 

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i 100% agree with ya im trying to do my moggy the same as you Tommy were taking it back to basics weve bought a cheap ol brit car and had some fun building it bunged in a v8 and go racing on not alot of money

and i know mine aint finished so dont you start anything northerner!!!
Im not northern! :pmsl:..but yeah mate, just stick with rwyb's! got modern jap stuff to play with at them aswell as great non high tec v8 brit/yank classics :smoke:
 

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It depends on what you want...if it's strictly RWYB it only needs to be safe...if you're going into a 'class', it needs to comply with class rules as well as the required tag for it's speed.

The Hot Rod Gazette NSCC started out as cheap grass roots but there are some big money cars in there now. A look at the times in the early days compared to the times now is very interesting. It's still a good way to go racing though...I believe that the series has never been won by the quickest car. This is because points are accrued for shows and cruises as well as race meets.

The cheapest way in my opinion is to buy a cheap Yank motor and strip as much weight from it as you can.

Or buy a cheap old Model T (or other old hot rod) and improve it as you can
 

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If this has worked the link should take you to Deb against a ricer at the Pod


OK it hasn't worked...you don't need the link as the vid is right here :D
 

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It depends on what you want...if it's strictly RWYB it only needs to be safe...if you're going into a 'class', it needs to comply with class rules as well as the required tag for it's speed.

The Hot Rod Gazette NSCC started out as cheap grass roots but there are some big money cars in there now. A look at the times in the early days compared to the times now is very interesting. It's still a good way to go racing though...I believe that the series has never been won by the quickest car. This is because points are accrued for shows and cruises as well as race meets.

The cheapest way in my opinion is to buy a cheap Yank motor and strip as much weight from it as you can.

Or buy a cheap old Model T and improve it.
yeah...some real cheap ways of doing things if you have experience with mixing bits together and you know they work...take mine and my dads a40 for example, my dads been on the drag scene for years checking out the cheaper drag cars, that has resulted in my car not even coming to a grand to build, and its nearly done!
 
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