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I also visit other forums and one I keep going back to is Retrorides .I've even attended one of their shows and was very impressed by their cars and attitudes. Initially I couldn't understand what they were going on about with their mid 80s cars .

Then I looked at the age difference and took myself back to a time when I'd just passed my test and what was a new car and what was old . If I apply where I am nowadays and compare to their perspective it makes it all more understandable.

The newest custom I have at the mo is 1964 Consul Capri , a 46 year old car ( yes, really ! It shook me a bit as when I bought my first one it was ' only' 11 years old ).

Anyway , go back to 1973 when I passed my test and a Mk 3 Cortina was the current model in the showroom a 46 year old car would have made it manufactured in 1927! Totally alien to anything I would see around me or even understand the technical differences.

Now look at those young guys over at Retrorides with their 25 year old ( yes REALLY ) mid 80s cars. Even when I passed my test in '73 that would have meant I'd be driving a car made in about 1948 ,again quite off the wall againt all your mates who would have had 10 year old motors.

Remember the Chelsea cruises ,or the scene in general back in the mid 70's ,most of the tuff that turned up, the Escorts , Capris, Cortinas etc would have only have been around 10 years old .Even good old Henry Hirise would have only been about 18 years old back then ! The equivalent car nowdays would be a Mk3 Granada :shock:

Just thought it gave an intersting perspective to it all .
 

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Hi Kev, your absolutely correct, when you look at the age of the cars it does hit you. The Retro Rides scene is where our young counterparts will come from. I know a few of the guys from around Chelmsford and they've all said that when money/time permits they will get a rod.

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i try and get down to the local RR meet 3/4 times a year,good bunch of lads,must say i see myself (30yrs ago) loving what im doing but not having the money to finish what im building,to the standard id like,Bry
 

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Hi Kev, your absolutely correct, when you look at the age of the cars it does hit you. The Retro Rides scene is where our young counterparts will come from. I know a few of the guys from around Chelmsford and they've all said that when money/time permits they will get a rod.

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A very good reason why current rodders need to try to ensure a future for these guys rather than just thinking of ourselves?
 

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i try and get down to the local RR meet 3/4 times a year,good bunch of lads,must say i see myself (30yrs ago) loving what im doing but not having the money to finish what im building,to the standard id like,Bry
Bry, it's nice to hang around with some younger car guys to let their enthusiasm take away some of the cynicism of age :tup:
 

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Very true Kev,allthough gotta say i tend to hang out with like minded people,and ignore/avoid negative people,i think its one of the few advantages of getting older,read-fuck em,i also love the reaction you get from the younger guys-i went down to the RR meet in my mk1 tina,and they were freaked,they couldnt handle the fact that i served my time on these cars,the looked at me like i was from another time lol,Bry
 

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A very good reason why current rodders need to try to ensure a future for these guys rather than just thinking of ourselves?
Spot On:tup:Its the same point I was trying to make on another thread, surely its better to include younger people rather than turn our backs on them...
I sometimes go to a music pub that draws an interesting variety of machinery,Harleys , Muscle and British classics. Recently a few younger guys[early 20s] turned up some retro British and a VW. Some of the old school were not welcoming, but I spoke to some and to cut a long story short they really are just like most of us. The best bit is that by speaking to them instead of snubbing them I found out that one of them has a very rusty 57 chev project!
Also I feel sorry for their age group- hardly any decent RWD cars about, insurance an arm and a leg...
When I was that age it was relatively cheap, loads of old Fords ,Rovers, Jags etc. And as for British bikes there were plenty in sheds garages and back gardens, those were the days...
 

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I agree too.
I'm planning on attending a few of that type of event this year. It kinda suits my car too as it's an 82 model year.
I grew up with Escorts, Avengers & Chevettes, etc and I love to see all those now.
There are quite a few really smart Mk1 Golfs, Scirroccos, Peugeot 205's & even Orions around this way. Just really nice condition, lowered to a lovely stance & a nice set of rims. And after reading Retro Cars & Practical Performance Car magazines a lot of them are well modified under the bonnet too.
I love em all.
 

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I have a 1990 BMW 318is E30 shape. I used to work on them , so have a soft spot for them. Its RWD and is easy to throw about , quite a sought after car evidentley.

Like you say , it doesnt seem that old to me , but a lot of young uns refer to it as a "Retro car":smoke:
 

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hi Kapri
im on the RR site to (same user name) and have been for a few years, they are mostly a good bunch but there is a few keyboard wariors though, there is also roders' kustomizers and moded classic owners that migtated from the nsra when things changed (nuff said).

but im suprised with your observations this has been going on for a long time
as one mans junk is another mans quality used vehicle.
i wonder why it's so over looked that George and Sam Barris was choping ford mercury's when they were brand new, I could be wrong but didn't Sam chop his green 50 merc in the winter of 49 after having it deliverd straight from Ford's plant?, but theres none of the wow factor when it's done to a chrysler 300c.

what im trying to say is that we are stuck in a rut when it comes to hotroding and kustomizing it has to conform to xyz and that atitude has stuck, but when it comes to retro cars there is an atitude to be diferant or to better the look of the car to what ever they want it to look like and it doesn't have to cost a bundle eather, most cars on there i would say have been purchased and modded for less than a grand.

but at the end of the day they are young adults driving old cars creating a modern alternative to kustomizing.:tup:

or have i missed the point?:wacky:
 

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Not sure why you are surprised by my observations ? I KNOW it's been going on for a long time ..so have I !:incheek: I've observed all the changes that have happened through the years, the changes from 'our' style customising to hot hatches ( the equivalent of the factory muscle car ,60's USA) through to the rise of the modern customs (the Max Power style) and on to the rise of Retro Fords /Ricers and Retrorides ( generic use ).

All that time I've been stuck doing what I've always done but as I've got older so the cars I use have with me also. Just observing that whilst 'we' often go on about how 'they' should be building 'our ' styles just how alien , and far removed, that is from what they normally see around them. ie the boom market for most cars come as those who couldn't afford then the first time around have enough money to do it.

The other part of that is that nostalgia ,in the mainstream, is usually based on a 20 year previous vision of 'better times' hence we are just finishing with the 80's revival and all those old bands touring for the new audience.


I never thought I'd see the day where I'd say a lowered Volvo 360 looked 'kewel' !
 

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I agree with everything you said here Kev. I posted a similar thread on the Nsra site quite a while ago and got slated for it.
 

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Very well said Kev! RR is one of my favourite sites (same login over there).

I've learnt as much over there as I have over the years from the NSRA site and latterly on here. Had I not had to buy a turbo-tractor when work moved me from Exeter to Bristol then I suspect my old faithful Volvo 440 may have been sporting a coat of Nato green and have been "hit with a stick". :D
 

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As another view on this why would anyone in their right mind ( which lets us all off ) want to buy a car that is /appears to be 80 years old and all the old tech that goes with it when you could buy a new whizzbang posh new car for a fraction of the time ,money and effort involved in any of our vehicles? . Even at the newer end of our stuff you are talking a 40 year old car still :eek:

Many have had the question from Joe Public of "is that a Morris Thousand /Beetle?" .Have you ever thought why ? Because they are the oldest cars they have been exposed to and the bear a passing resemblance .

You see what I mean ...how does anyone ever get to understand what we do and why we do it ?
 

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I think that was what was so good about Street Machine magazine. It gave a good cross section of cars, not so limited as Custom Car is. Not that I am complaining as my main interest is in the older cars, but I will look at any car that is well executed. Now a days the magazines seem to be to niche orientated. Old Ford, Mini World, VW etc.
Great for the enthusiast but does not help with getting cross over.
 

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Some of the guys over here are into the scene and we invite them to our events one of the guys (Hi Neil) has just imported a really neat A from California.
Actually the only reason why we invited them down is to lower the average age at our club events!! :pmsl::pmsl:
 

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i was an avid street machine fan because it was open minded & always through up a few surprises, any way a bit of topic there.
i personaly have admiration for any car owner that has put hard work into there car & made it something special & i dont care what end the driving wheels are as i always look at the workmanship & ideas first.
i like the retro ride scene as there isnt any rulebook to follow & the magazine is far more enjoyable to read compared to custard car!
i am a petrolhead first & formost & will chat about it to anyone with the same interest regardless of what they drive or ride !!
 
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