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Bloke at work has just been done speeding in his older merc van. he was doing 50-odd in a 60 limit single carraigeway road. he didn't realise the limits are lower for vans. - here's the deal - if the van is car derived and less than 2000kg loaded then the car speed limits apply - if non car derived or over 2000kg laden - then lower limits apply for single and dual carraigeways.
So here's my point - lots of us run old pickups - where do these fall re speed limits?? My 58 GMC f'rinstance - non car derived - over 2000kg loaded - do I need to stick to 10mph below the national limit on single and dual carraigeways??

Anybody know??

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Mart, that's interesting regarding the car derived bit. About thirty years ago I got done for doing 58 on the A38 near Burton on Trent (a 70mph dual carriageway even back then). I was driving a Simca 1100 van at the time which was car based. Do you think I should ask for my £25.00 fine back? :D
 

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Used to drive a truck and IIRC if it's over 3500kg you can drive at 70mph on a motorway, 60 on an "A" dual carriageway, and 50mph on single carraigeway "A" roads. As far as I know the vehicle has to be over 3500kg though. Under that and it's the same as a car. Perhaps his Merc is rated at 3500kg+?
 

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Got busted on this years ago, the camera was in the back of an HA van it was THAT long ago. I got done in an Escort Mk2 van for 82 on a dual carriageway, trouble being the limit for a van at that time was 50 :tdown:
 

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Vauxhall found that many van drivers assume that the limits are the same as for cars. In fact, all vans over 2 tonnes maximum gross weight are subject to separate speed limits for goods vehicles up to 7.5 tonne.

Only car-derived vans with a maximum weight of under 2 tonnes are subject to the same speed limits as cars. In other words, all Transit-sized vans (and some smaller ones) are subject to a different set of speed limits to cars.

Here are the correct speed limits for most vans:

Single carriageways: 50mph
Dual Carriageways: 60mph
Motorways: 70mph

Police forces around the country are tightening up on these breaches and van drivers can expect to be ticketed if caught.

Examples of vans that fit into the car speed limit category are:

Vauxhall Astravan and Corsavan, Ford Fiesta Van

Examples of smaller vans with a max weight over 2 tonnes and lower speed limits are:

Ford Transit Connect, Peugeot Expert, Citroen Dispatch, Ford Transit SWB, Vauxhall Vivaro SWB
 

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That's why I was done. Any idea when the law changed?
its been like that for some time. Came to my attention when the Transit Connect was launched, as many drivers thought it was a Fiesta based car derived van. Turns out it wasn't................and lots of tickets were issued.
 

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Interesting thread!

I was under the impression it depended on wether the vehicle was registered as Private Light Goods or Light Commercial Vehicle.

Does this mean a lot of F150, Dodge Ram etc owners are going to get nicked for being in the fast lane doing 70?
 

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If I got caught on this one I would show them a picture of a suburban to cause enough confusion that they would drop it. Hopefully.
 

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glad i seen this thread,i didnt even know me transit has differant limits to cars...guess its time to lift the throttle slightly....
 

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I'm getting a bit of a bee in my bonnet over this.
Imagine if you did not have internet access. Where would you have heard this information? I have never seen an information ad in a paper. I have never seen a telly ad stating this fact. Ok it's in the highway code. But who, in honesty has been out and bought a new issue since they learned to drive? I havn't and I'm sure most havn't too.
So, even with the internet, where is there a definitive statement re older trucks taxed as historic and used for pleasure only, ie not hauling goods for a commercial purpose.
I suppose I will have to assume that my pickup is subject to the lower limits, and drive accordingly. but I am only assuming and I would like a definitive answer. This is my third pickup. I was not even slightly aware of this until the fella at work got nicked recently.
I think this is purposely kept quiet, not advertised broadly so that the coppers can keep quietly nicking people who as far as they are concerned driving within the speed limit.
Of course the ignorance is no defence argument kicks in, but being ignorant of something that is scarcely publicised is a bit different in my view.
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Mart, so many of the rules are not easily available until you research AFTER you've broken them.:tdown: The regs re points sytem with DVLA etc are a case in point.
I bet if you tried to fight it you'd be told you should buy the Highway code on a regular basis for updates.

I must admit that until about 2 years back I also thought vans ( Transit size etc) ,was the same as cars as I thought the 50mph van restriction on ANY road law was repealled to keep traffic flowing. Like yourself I was concerned about the laws relating to my '41 Chevy .It weighed in at 1300kg with a 600kg payload so was below the weight limit but I didn't know, until now, about the car derived ruling.
 

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I'm getting a bit of a bee in my bonnet over this.
Imagine if you did not have internet access. Where would you have heard this information? I have never seen an information ad in a paper. I have never seen a telly ad stating this fact. Ok it's in the highway code. But who, in honesty has been out and bought a new issue since they learned to drive? I havn't and I'm sure most havn't too.
So, even with the internet, where is there a definitive statement re older trucks taxed as historic and used for pleasure only, ie not hauling goods for a commercial purpose.
I suppose I will have to assume that my pickup is subject to the lower limits, and drive accordingly. but I am only assuming and I would like a definitive answer. This is my third pickup. I was not even slightly aware of this until the fella at work got nicked recently.
I think this is purposely kept quiet, not advertised broadly so that the coppers can keep quietly nicking people who as far as they are concerned driving within the speed limit.
Of course the ignorance is no defence argument kicks in, but being ignorant of something that is scarcely publicised is a bit different in my view.
Mart.
I'd go along with that, I've only ever owned a van as a daily for over 30 years, driven all over the country, and never heard of specific lower speed limits until this thread. I guess I've just been lucky not to have a stack of tickets - unless the cops are only just using this to up their offence rate by enforcing something they've never bothered with before. When you think how many vans are on the road, it's staggering that there's been no publicity about this. And not a single statistic to show whether vans need any special speed restrictions, just some know-it-all poncy twat with letters behind his name in an office somewhere deciding to create more bollocks for the rest of us. But then, that's what you expect these days, just more pointless crap from the authorities year by year. Come the revolution it's 'Up against the wall Motherfuckers!' :mad::mad::mad:
 

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when i wanted to know about speed limits i went into wisbech police station and asked and was told i needed to speak to somebody from traffic and as none were available i was given the list of vehicles and relevant speed limits from the wall in the station so if i get done for speeding i can show them that if if i dont think they are right
 
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