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Hi all, Ive just bought a fordson van which is a million miles from roadworthy rite now but it has been brought to my attention that i mite struggle to get a v5 if i hotrod this van. i was planning on building a whole new chassis/axle/engine. I have the old buff logbook that has the reg and chassis number on it. I have an old mot aswell. I also have an old letter from the dvla saying they will issue a v5 with this reg when the car is RESTORED. Is there a big difference in being restored back to original or built up as a rod.? Any help would be greatly appreciated..
 

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The method for getting a logbook back is the V7675 scheme, it will need restoration and a MOT. Details below.

FBHVC » DVLA

The vehicle will need approval by the owners club as standard.

In order to legally retain that number after you have restored it and then starting to modify you should remain within the DVLA 8 points system as shown below.

Alternatively you can completely ignore the system once registered and do what you want. If /when caught they would remove the right to the logbook and you would hav eto undergo BIVA test to reregister it legally.

You could of course simply build to BIVA spec now and register it legally from the off.
 

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A ground up build doesn't have to end up on a Q . You need a new chassis and then 2 components from a donor v5c , usually engine and box . You will then get an age realted to the donor V5C but can transfer a number to it still. It will howeve pat tax no matter what .

However there are those who are starting to see the advantages of a Q plate .It immediately shows the vehicle has been inspected and the act that you pay tax removes you from any worry about possible changes to the Historic class.

No real issues with getting a Fordson through the BIVA ,most stuff is no cost option and attention to rules while building ie spec for how often brake lines , fuel lines etc are clipped up etc.
 

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A car does not need to have an MOT or be restored to retain its original registration under the V765 scheme. It does however need to be near enough complete.

To quote from the FBHVC website:

"A claim for an original number is processed by the specialist unit at Swansea, and can take place either when the vehicle is roadworthy, or when it is substantially complete, possibly in its unrestored condition."

The full FBHVC newsletter is here and the info is about a third of the way down the page:

FBHVC » Blog Archive » Newsletter No.4 2010

The DVLA link to the V765 scheme is here:

Apply to register a vehicle under its original number (form V765) : Directgov - Do it online
 

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Neil, our local office doesn't issue a v5c ( though you have the right to the number ) until the car is ready for tax ( meaning MOT ) nor does DVLA change taxation classes from PLG to Historic unless it is being taxed ie if you have a number still on VE or RF60 .Just did one last week in fact .

Still guess that will be one advantage to not needing MOTs on pre 60s vehicles . Straight out of the barn and onto the road , way to go eh?

Would that be slightly different to the way you use the V765 system ie creating a number for a " Reconstructed Classic" ?
 

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The V765 scheme isn't really handled by local offices, it should dealt with by Swansea. A local office will however take the forms and deal with them as you have said by insisting on an MOT. The FBHVC advise the respective owners clubs to send the forms directly to Swansea. The full details are in the FBHVC newsletter referenced above.

We don't use the V765 scheme for reconstructed classics, it's done under the V55/5 route via local offices.

It's no wonder it's so confusing for people, each of the different routes to a registration contradict each other.

I've no idea how the talks are going about the removal of MOT's for pre 1960 vehicles but from barn to road in the same day is a very scary thought.
 

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Again all the V765 requests I've been involved in ,usually on imports , have come from and been dealt with by Local Offices. As usual contradiction abounds within DVLA. Still from next April should all be straight to Swansea.

If it's not giving away trade secrets what advice where you offered on how to operate the scheme ? My assumption was that it should operate as per 8 points system and vehicles should not be penalised for non stock parts ? Pm or ring me otherwise :)

You ( VHRA ) should able to have input into the MOT Consultation, as ACE were asked by our DfT contact.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/dft-2011-27
 

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There is some debate over the 8 points scheme and how it works when registering a vehicle under the reconstructed classic route. Some say that the 8 point rule should only come into play after a car is registered, most accept it as part of the initial registration process. If non-stock parts are used a carfully worded letter can usually circumnavigate any issues. For example, if they don't ask for the name of the manufacturer of an engine, does it need to be mentioned? The VHRA do adhere to the 8 point rule when issuing Letters of Authentication, though for the most part we are assisting with vehicles constructed using all early Ford running gear and chassis which makes it a whole lot easier. There was no initial assistance offered by the DVLA, but they are willing to answer questions when I contact them. The FBHVC have been extremely helpful from the start.

As well as the link you have posted, the FBHVC did make member clubs aware of the consultation and are encouraging classic car owners to express their opinions here:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FBHVCMoT
 

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Just one other thing Kev, how are you using the V765 scheme with imports? The scheme is for registering a vehicle under its original registration, not for a new number on an import or unidentified vehicle. That's the domain of a V55 application.
 

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I have the buff log book and chassis plate for my 33 Austin but it's useless to me. The Austin club told me the car has to be pretty much complete in unrestored form or ready for mot as a standard car before they'll verify it. I'm guessing the 350 Olds,5" chop and air bags won't quite cut it.
My plan up to now is to go for a Q and to be honest, if it means I can get out there and drive it (when eventually it's done) I won't give a monkeys'.
 

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Doesn't the O/P's letter from the DVLA count for anything, i.e. it sounds like it has already been authenticated, or agreed that it is the car in question?
That sounds like what is known as " A letter of interest" . These were issued in lieu of a logbook when vehicles were swapping from buff to v5C logbooks but didn't qualify to obtain a V5c at that time.
 

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Just one other thing Kev, how are you using the V765 scheme with imports? The scheme is for registering a vehicle under its original registration, not for a new number on an import or unidentified vehicle. That's the domain of a V55 application.
Missed this one :oops: We've needed verification of vehicle identity on imported cars using v55/5. Even when a title was present they've wanted confirmation from a V765 club . One got so crazy they wouldn't even accept the V765 report insisting on confirmation from a long gone manufacturer . A call to Policy sorted that LO ;)

Last one even had a logbook in the DVLA system but to get it back had to apply via V55/5 with confirmation of vehicle identity from V765 club.
 
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