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Zodys post threw this up for me. Many are used to ABS in their dailys, pretty common technology and traction control is gaining popularity.

I'm looking at the new technology on the horizon that will become mandatory from 2012 ( on new cars ) like ESC ,Emergency Stability Control, were the car will brake for you if it feels you sliding. Lane Departure systems are being developed initially for commercials and Collision Avoidance systems are being trialed in some Volvos .

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/i-was-in-the-back-making-coffee.html

Couple that lot with the ISA ,Intellegent Speed Adaptions ( speed limiters ) are already on trial in London witha projected mandatory fitement date of 2014.

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/intellige...e-less-thing-to-think-about-when-driving.html

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/isa-moves-a-step-closer.html

What about when this stuff fails ? Or when you into a slightly older cars that isn't so equipped and you expect it to be there ? Is the art of driving in danger of being lost and drivers become 'key turners' with no real input into what's happening?

As a little story I know of a rodder who has started driving a car with radar reverse , all was good until he borrowed another driver of thefleets van which wasn't so equipped, straight back into a wall. :shock:

When I was speaking with VOSA the other day we were discussing the new technology and I was told of a case they were investigating wherea serious accident had occured due to what was presumed to be failure of the radar reverse on a hill . It was eventually realised thst the driver didn't actually hav ethe car IN reverse , though moving backwards as they were simply rolling backwards but waiting for the technology to kick in.
 

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cant wait to we all sit in our little slot cars, attached to grooves in the road, bit like a scaletrix, and cant run into each other!

I think the new cars make driving too desensitised, and hence people rely on the technology to make up for their errors, or lack of awareness.

"Our" type of cars bring back this reality and hopefully make us better drivers.
Hope everyone is safe today.
 

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there was a case in america ( where else ! ) where a woman sued the makers of her motorhome for failing to write in the manual that when the cruise control is on , you still have to steer it .. and not go into the back to make a cuppa as she did causing a massive pile up ! :shake:
 

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Too late. We're all doomed. Half the road-users (not drivers) out there haven't a clue what they're doing behind the wheel.
quite agree & whats worse they dont care
the number of drivers we see who never check their levels or worse even their tyre pressures between services is frightening especially now when people arent bothering to have even the extended interval servicing done,
they also dont seem to care, when technology goes wrong most leave it gone wrong due to cost of repair [air bag warning lights on is a prime example but recently the elecronic controlled heater & thermostats on vw audi models & some vauxhalls until of course they won't defrost or get warm at all]
the cost to repair these new systems can also be very expensive
we are seeing many people keeping older cars because of that & even seeking out older models & selling newer ones !
its a shame the government has scrapped so many good reliable 10+ year old cars cos there will be a big demand for them
rant over happy christmas all
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Even with technology, people still can't drive.
I lost count of the number of cars sliding asround all over the place on Monday on my way home from work.
When did people forget the basic principal that if your tyres are spinning adding more power will only make them spin more?

Flooring it when you lose grip on ice and snow will not suddenly get the grip back.
 

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What about when this stuff fails ? Or when you into a slightly older cars that isn't so equipped and you expect it to be there ? Is the art of driving in danger of being lost and drivers become 'key turners' with no real input into what's happening?
That about sums it up for me Kev.
Quite agree - you only have to think about some of the horror stories of the numpties who are totally reliant on their SatNavs to imagine where this is going! :tdown:
 

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Saw on the news the other day about a guy in Australia who had his cruise control fail and he couldnt turn it off...think he was set at about 50 mph had to have a police escort for how ever many miles going through red lights etc untill he finally brought it to a stop.

I for one drive my Mk1 Escort as a daily and before that had my 100e. I dont think I could hack using a modern as a daily! It takes all the fun out of driving
 

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Back when I worked at a Bedford garage the old CF's had a pull stop cable attached to the pump rather than an electrical control , same when I worked with diesel generators , an electrical on/off was optional.

However with diesels they can syphon and continue running by burning their own engine oil until they seize anyway , known as sumping .:shock:
 

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Actually Mark it could happen if it was a diesel. Merc's had a habit of doing it.
Ah, not thought of that!
Surely though, the ign off would shut off the fuel? it must cut power to the cruise control? or would the engine running keep the power up from the alty?
Just cant see how switching it off would not kill it?
 

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Mark i had the misfortune of sorting out an electrical fault on my 02 mgzs 180
(don't laugh) when i checked all the way through the diagram ALL of the ignition switch outputs feed the management cpu and then that fires relays, so much to my surprise a "locked up" cpu could disable ign switch function and my guess is that cruise control is an integral part of engine management so maybe he was driving the same electronics.
as i side note i have financed my whole working life fixing the so called perfect gadgets we trust (various stuff currently aircraft instruments)

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Saw on the news the other day about a guy in Australia who had his cruise control fail and he couldnt turn it off...think he was set at about 50 mph had to have a police escort for how ever many miles going through red lights etc untill he finally brought it to a stop.

I for one drive my Mk1 Escort as a daily and before that had my 100e. I dont think I could hack using a modern as a daily! It takes all the fun out of driving
Something like that happened in San Diego where the electronic throttle stuck wide open on a Lexus sending the guy to meet his maker. Why he did not turn off the ignition key is not known.
 

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Something like that happened in San Diego where the electronic throttle stuck wide open on a Lexus sending the guy to meet his maker. Why he did not turn off the ignition key is not known.
People panic Mikey
and dont think straight :mooooh:
turn the key yes or
just take it out of gear :wave:
problem solved :tup:
even if the engine goes bang
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People panic Mikey and dont think straight :mooooh:
turn the key yes or just take it out of gear :wave:
problem solved :tup: even if the engine goes bang
Mick
You lose the steering and brakes if you turn the key, best to get it out of gear and let the engine commit suicide.

Gotta say, my previous three dailys having had ABS, i do miss not having ABS on my daily anymore.. its one bit of tech well worth having. It may be true (or possibly not) that the very best race car drivers in the world can stop a car quicker in an emergency without it but i aint one of them. I had a big lock up one day when a car turned right across my path when they should have waited, i wasnt speeding and theres no way i could have anticipated it. Only just missed the ideot.
 
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