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hi everyone

after spending the day in a mate 27 T bucket yesturday and again today, im undecided weather i want a T or a 32 roadster, i thought it would be good to have a separate thread looking at which vehicles would be a good base vehicle to build up a T onto as a rebody project?

i know we sort of started to look at it on one of my other thread but i think people wanting to find this out wouldnt be able to find this info i my other thread as easily.

so what would be a good base vehicle?? i think one of you guys said a herald of a triumph?? but which ones and personally id like something with a bigger engin if possible

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The standard wheelbase on a T is 98 inches. The only thing that is going to go anywhere near is a Spitfire /GT6 chassis but it is shorter and the proportions will sufffer. Forget the Herald as you would have to modify the chassis and that wouldlmean the rebody plan would fail at inspection.
We are putting up an article about rebodying clarification over at www.the-ace.org.uk shortly.

You need to sit down and consider what you want you chosen project to do and how much you want to spend. IE Do you want to use it a lot so will you need a hood which wil affect both the way it looks and the costs .

One sunny day in any open topped car will suck you in , unfortunately the summer is upredictable. Could you manage a 2-3 hour drive in the pouring rain with no hood ? Full time roadster owners are a special breed :incheek::D

As a guide the earlier the body style narrower and shorter they are plus the cost of build ( for some reason ) grows as the cars get 'newer'.

If you are rebodying it is allowable within the 8 points system BUT you have to look at the rest of the mods needed to make it work, on a Spitfire etc the back axle can be fragile.

That's why Scimitars are good bases as they have a bigger engine and an axle of handling more power if wanted.
 

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thing ive found in this hobby is... there is no cheep "rods" if you build one it will take an age and 9 times out of 10 will cost way more than you thought! if you buy a rod on the road they are not cheep, you could get a dammed good daily ride for the price of a hotrod
 

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The Spitfire is about 84'' from memory ..... I have one here with a Sammio Spyder body on.....They are very short but might work on a modified style car....

Beetle is 95'' but the pans are an issue nowadays....

Herald at 92'' is ok but outriggers are an issue.....

Despite 'allowing' rebodies , the DVLA / VOSA etc. are strangling these as well with tighter / changing regulations.........

I think the plan is 'all things BIVA' eventually.....:mad:
 

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hi guys

yh i dont mind being rained on guess its being young and possibly being that breed you were saying that doesnt mind it :lol: we were out in it today in the rain driving to a show about an hour away which was fun,

i strongly thinking of doing a T at the moment,

im guessing the scimitars would be too long being 100" odd wheel base...though are any of the older ones any shorter?

thanks

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I had a T before my A and I have to say it was a hoot to drive....Model A keith has it now and will testify just what good fun they are. That T had a pinto in and, trust me it was fast enough and handled brilliantly for a beam/live axled car.
Genuine T stuff isn't massivly expensive and the supply is good too...take a look at the Tuckett brothers web site for that. A genny frame and early running gear may clear the point system.
A pop chassis and running gear again will get over that and there are plenty of them around...also take a look at older Austin (30s and 40s) frames (Available Austins in Arley Warwickshire) a rolling chassis won't break the bank and again should get you enough points for an age related plate, Beam fronts and wire wheels to!!
If you want the car to look right it's gona have to have a beam or tube front, IFS (factory) just don't look right and the engine in the spitfire/herald etc is just too far forward to allow the grillshell to sit right.
A part built (but registered) project or older rod is a sensible way to go as well...usually cheaper than a full build...
There was a T kit called the "VolksRod" that was built on a VW pan aswell...done by Brizo from what I remember and that's a route i'm looking at for the wife's Topolino pick up!
 

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The standard wheelbase on a T is 98 inches. The only thing that is going to go anywhere near is a Spitfire /GT6 chassis but it is shorter and the proportions will sufffer. Forget the Herald as you would have to modify the chassis and that wouldlmean the rebody plan would fail at inspection.
We are putting up an article about rebodying clarification over at www.the-ace.org.uk shortly.
need a hood which wil affect both the way it looks and the costs .

thought the spitfire and herald had the same type of chassis , the diffrence being the front and rear body mountings ie bumpers
 

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GT6. Keep the chassis, engine, gearbox & rear axle (this can be upgraded by using off the shelf bits from any Triumph specialist). No outriggers to get in the way, but the body tub will have to be built with a lot of strengthening (a bit like a monocoque) including inbuilt outriggers to bolt onto the short GT6 outriggers. Easy. Should be done in time for lunch.

After a bacon roll & a cup of tea its back into the garage & unbolt that fugly front suspension unit. Nasty, nasty, nasty unless you're going the full-fender route. Now you've got a problem. The front end tends to dig in the ground and steering is non-existant so its going to best to fit some kind of round rolling objects at the front corners. Nip down to Halfords & ask the young arse-istant for a beam axle and a fitting kit for a model T :incheek:. Remember the monocoque body tub that you built this morning? Well you did fit some brackets for the hairpins didn't you? Well take the body off again and fit some, nice & close to the original chassis so that they look like they attach to the chassis, but they don't. Remember, don't start welding brackets to the chassis, you need this along with the original engine & box to get your necessary points to retain the I.D.

The front beam could then be mounted further forward to give the right wheel base. Ah-ha, problem number one........ The GT6/Spitfire range had a rather substantial front crossmember for the bumper/over-riders which looks awfull and will foul the front wheels unless you decide to use 8" trailer wheels. I can't remember the latest developments concerning removing non-structural parts of the chassis (see www.the-ace.org.uk or pm Kev "Kapri") but if the ends of this crossmember are viewed as non-structural, chop them off. You'll still be left with the problem of finding somewhere to attach the transverse spring & shock absorbers, but it might be possible to utilise some of the holes in the existing front crossmember to attach a new custom made crossmember to do this. Okay, there might be a weeks worth of work there rather than a weekends :incheek:, but having messed around with various Triumphs in my past, I'm sure there is a way.

Seriously, nothing is going to be a "bolt together" swap to build a rod, if it were they would fall into the "kit car" category. Any form of body swap is going to be a head-scratching exercise, especially to retain the original ID, but it can be done. Also be aware that the Triumph range of chassis are only made from 16swg (1.6mm) steel and they can rot from inside (especially round the diff on the GT6/Spitfires) so sand blasting the chassis to show up any weak areas would be wise. Also, the running gear is highly tuneable (but not particularly cheap) and the Triumph straight six wouldn't look out of place in a rod.

GT6 chassis (EBay):

 

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The standard wheelbase on a T is 98 inches. The only thing that is going to go anywhere near is a Spitfire /GT6 chassis but it is shorter and the proportions will sufffer. Forget the Herald as you would have to modify the chassis and that wouldlmean the rebody plan would fail at inspection.
We are putting up an article about rebodying clarification over at www.the-ace.org.uk shortly.
need a hood which wil affect both the way it looks and the costs .

thought the spitfire and herald had the same type of chassis , the diffrence being the front and rear body mountings ie bumpers
Nope, the Herald has large outriggers that, because part of the rear suspension fits to them, are classed as chasssis members. The GT6 is devoid of these. Use Google images and there are a few shots of both versions, plus Scimitar within the first few pages.
 

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Thread ressurection time!

Well Charles did you build a T with a doner or have you done something else?

I ask as i have a T body here and am between trying a scimitar or a Triumph vitesse. I see in this thread a few people said a herald wouldn't work but this one looks pretty good......

http://www.rodsnsods.co.uk/forum/topic/fave-car-wheels-day-13015

I'd like to hear how you got on, and if anyone else has any ideas please chip in :tup:
 

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Thanks for that update kev.

Any thoughts about the 27T based on a herald chassis idea? I believe the wheelbase is 91.5 for it. I'm not worried about the width as my body has been widened a bit but i'm not sure about the length and am concerned about the outriggers at the back. I'm aware no cutting is allowed and thats why i'm thinking of a scimitar instead. I definetly want to go the rebody route.
 

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Normal T wheelbase is around 98 inches . However if you use a modified style body ( flatback) you could makea small pu bed etc to keep it near enough in proportion and cover up those outriggers. The Scimitar is more suited to a full body such as Willys or A with running boards really.
 

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Hi Roo, can you tell me a bit more about it? Was there any alterations on the chassis? The body i have is exactly the same style and if i knew it would go over the outriggers at the back i'd probably go for it.
 
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