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Hey guys hows it going? I'm currently researching the 1933 Ford Outlaw Coupe. This is a car I've had my eyes on since I was young, but am only now getting round to researching the materials needed.
This is the problem I have been trying to find out where to obtain the chassis and frame either new or salvaged. Also tips on development process and how to salvage parts and customize body work etc.

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Hey guys hows it going? I'm currently researching the 1933 Ford Outlaw Coupe. This is a car I've had my eyes on since I was young, but am only now getting round to researching the materials needed.
This is the problem I have been trying to find out where to obtain the chassis and frame either new or salvaged. Also tips on development process and how to salvage parts and customize body work etc.

Cheers.
Well, budget I am guessing is the biggest thing for you. Even here in north america, it is near impossible to find one that isn't a built hotrod anymore. Most buy a new chassis and body to work from. In the case of the UK, if you are willing to go through the IVA, this is the best bet. if you want to do a full hotrod buildup. Fibreglass is by far the way to go if you are not concerned with the steel body etc. Though prep work if you do it all yourself is messy and time consuming, but saves a bunch. Example of what you can get for fibreglass..

Sample fibreglass producer

There is a second reason I recommend this way as well. To maintain the vintage status of the vehicle and avoid the same inspections as the kitcar requires, you are limited in suspension, drivetrain, modifications, etc. to do so legally. The main question you have to ask, is what part of rods do you like? The buildup and crusing, or are you like me where enjoy digging into a ratty car. If you want to really build up a clean smooth performing cruiser to show for night on a town, go for fibreglass body. There are steel bodies, but are much higher priced.

But just because it is a fibreglass hull, doesn't mean you are limited in customizing. By doing it all new stock, there might be the more into registration (not familiar with registration tax) but you also then are not limited to engines, suspensions, steering etc. Also use your imagination when planning too, maybe won't go with a V8, cut displacement and make something unique like a triple webber inline six. 6 exhaust ports dumping, reminicent of the ol spitfires and mustangs ^.^

Now what you can expect for a rod buildup.

Now development process. It all starts with first getting the body and a plan. Write down a list, even quick sketch to make sure you don't miss anything. Do you want old school? Say a flathead or carb big block? Maybe some fuel injected smallblock or even an inline turbo engine. Looking for the chrome disc wheels, big whitewalled bias ply tires? Or maybe some low profile on aluminium. Get a frame for your body, is pretty standard. But make sure it can take your goal power. Big altered style engine, or small cruising rod. Then you choose what powerplant you want. This is next because it will affect things like coolant and your suspension. With a powerplant, you need the crossmember and suspension that works best.

Tranny, then rear end. This is important because if you want to cruise around in a close ratio 6 speed, you don't want a too high ratio final drive causing you to always having to be rowing the gearbox. Also engine powerband will determine what gearing ratio's as well. Once that is together, you need to get a driveshaft for it. At this point you would probably have a rolling chassis. This is also where it can test nerves. you start getting alot of the detail work, wiring, trying to run exhausts, fuel system, brakes, etc. Also the detail work, getting fenders for the body if you so choose. How do you want to hood, finding or making a grill and getting a rad to fit. the coolant.

It is best to get all the mechanical done before you even think about interior and the final details. Last thing you want is to get seats that won't fit well with pedal location. Also allows to make sure you have the hardware and can modify and tweak for clearances to make sure lines are good. if the vehicle is pretty much ready to start, you want to fabricate in things like seat mounts, any form of roll protection, door hardware, roof if you choose. gauges, etc.

By this point, you would have a complete build. if you were building an oldschool ratrod, it would be done. But if a streetrod, with fine paint and perfect lines, you gotta take it all apart, get everything painted, cleaned, chromed, etc. Put it all back together, install carpets and other upholstry. There you go, street rod!

Now if you go all new, it can add up pretty quick. Great places to save are if you luck out and find a shell to match your style, but a good one can cost as much to buy and repair as just getting a new shell depending. Powertrain is an excellent way to save. Same with things like gauges and steering. Stuff that is easily found from wrecks.

Just remember, the key is planning. Know what you want to build.
 

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Before even thnking about itteh best thing to do is go to lots of shows and talk to owners. Join a local club if you have one and go round and view members cars ( of all types ) being built.

Have a look at this article, it gives you a good idea of pitfalls by those who have been there before

UK Hot Rods: News, tech, chat, email group for hot rods, street rods and kustoms

Not trying to put you off but about 90% of started projects never make it to the end. It is a hard slog ,requiring perseverance, a fair range of tools , supportive family and friends , a decent workshop and mechanical aptitide. It's not like a kit car with instructions ( however bad instructions may be at least it is supposed to fit together ), each part is hand assembled to fit your idea and build.

In many cases it is quicker, and most definitely cheaper ,to buy a ready built car and fettle into what you want. depending on the quality you want in your build you would probably be starting at around £15,000 to build a basic rod and I've seen home builts costing £50,000.
 

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Well, budget I am guessing is the biggest thing for you. Even here in north america, it is near impossible to find one that isn't a built hotrod anymore. Most buy a new chassis and body to work from. In the case of the UK, if you are willing to go through the IVA, this is the best bet. if you want to do a full hotrod buildup. Fibreglass is by far the way to go if you are not concerned with the steel body etc. Though prep work if you do it all yourself is messy and time consuming, but saves a bunch. Example of what you can get for fibreglass..KW_Killer

Cheers for the info it was good to get a reply, i'm starting a Fabrication and Welding course in september so I have and understanding of how to build the chassis frame and bodywork from metal.

I was just woundering along with planning and budgeting I know which type of donar car I plan to get. It is the Ford Seirra 2.0 most probably 4x4. Should I get the donar car first and refurbish the parts or do I plan and develope the Frame, Chassis, etc?

I realize this will be a long develope but thats the fiun in it i'm looking for.
 

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It's a bit of each really . You need to check out your tracks to ensure they will fit under your body plan , as there are Sierra based model As out ther I'd guess sticking it all under a 34 wouldn't be an issue ( wider than A ).

Did I read that correctly , you are planning on building the bodywork yourself ? That is a very big task and specialised which is why almost everyone goes down the glassfibre replica route.

As a newby builder I take it you've checked out the legality side of things ?
 

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I was planning to do a type B 34 model

and Yes I plan on doing the bodywork mainly myself with a little help. I don't wish to build the body out of carbon fibre but fabricate it.

Can you please give me some info on the legal side of things as I do not know about them.
 
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